Inactive Party Making Bill Vote

[LukasV]

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=367885

I was under the impression that inactive parties, while able to participate in debates and make arguments and statements, are not able to send bills to vote. I mean seriously, if inactive parties can set national policy, even through OOC means, then why don't we all just go inactive and still participate in our nations.

[Aquinas]

Pax Cynica says:

2.3.2.2 An inactive account proposing resolutions within a nation under the guise of a party or group, banned from or not running for the government of the nation, for the sake of roleplay, with prior agreement within the nation, with no second active account is acceptable.

EEL proposed an OOC resolution about the Dranish military. It was not a Bill with legislative proposals in it. EEL, as you know, is a reasonably long-standing Dranland player who does not have an active account at the moment because he is travelling. None of the other players in Dranland, to my knowledge, have ever expressed an objection to EEL's OOC presence in Dranland during this period. Although EEL's OOC resolution has attracted controversy, no Dranland player has objected to it on the basis of EEL being a currently inactive player.

Lukas, along with others I am aware that you have some kind of personal conflict with EEL, the origins of which I do not really understand. Yesterday there were some heated exchanges between the two of you on the
Best Party in Dranland thread. I would like to believe that your complaint against EEL was made on purely objective grounds and without any personal malice, but you will forgive me if I confess that I am not entirely convinced this is the case.

[Captain-Socialist]

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=367885

I was under the impression that inactive parties, while able to participate in debates and make arguments and statements, are not able to send bills to vote. I mean seriously, if inactive parties can set national policy, even through OOC means, then why don't we all just go inactive and still participate in our nations.

You can put legislation forward, but you can't vote for it or gain visibility from it, so it's a pointless gesture and nothing really gamebreaking. Now, if you had more than one party, one active and one inactive, that would be a cause for concern...

[LukasV]

Pax Cynica says:

2.3.2.2 An inactive account proposing resolutions within a nation under the guise of a party or group, banned from or not running for the government of the nation, for the sake of roleplay, with prior agreement within the nation, with no second active account is acceptable.

EEL proposed an OOC resolution about the Dranish military. It was not a Bill with legislative proposals in it. EEL, as you know, is a reasonably long-standing Dranland player who does not have an active account at the moment because he is travelling. None of the other players in Dranland, to my knowledge, have ever expressed an objection to EEL's OOC presence in Dranland during this period. Although EEL's OOC resolution has attracted controversy, no Dranland player has objected to it on the basis of EEL being a currently inactive player.

Lukas, along with others I am aware that you have some kind of personal conflict with EEL, the origins of which I do not really understand. Yesterday there were some heated exchanges between the two of you on the
Best Party in Dranland thread. I would like to believe that your complaint against EEL was made on purely objective grounds and without any personal malice, but you will forgive me if I confess that I am not entirely convinced this is the case.

If he wants to get back in the nation, then he should reactivate. Otherwise, I could also go back to Luthori or Kalistan and start proposing resolution, since I have an inactive party there.

Either make up your mind and reactivate or not. You can't stay in limbo and still make decisions for your nation, OOC or not.

[Captain-Socialist]

You could do that anyway. It not as if EEL is the first person to have done this.

[EEL123]

Let us look at the 'law'.

2.3.2.1 An inactive account proposing bills in a nation other than speeches is actively affecting the laws of the nation/nations involved and will count as one of set of multiple accounts, grounds for inactivating the active account in this case.

If the answer to all these questions is yes, then I offend. If not, I do not.
1) Is my inactive account proposing bills other than speeches? Yes.

2) Is it actively affecting the laws if the nation? Let's examine this:
1.3.2 The LAW of a GAME NATION is comprised of all the VARIABLES within it, including the CONSTITUTION.
Now, an OOC bill cannot in the proper sense of the term be considered to consist of variables, as per:
1.3.1 A VARIABLE is a fundamental value that regulates the population of a GAME NATION in one aspect.
The bill is OOC. Now, unless you would like to claim that the population of Dranland exists OOC, that is, in the real world, the bill does not contain variables. Therefore, the answer is no.

3) Do I have another active account? No.

Two nos and one yes. I win, you lose.

And,

Either make up your mind and reactivate or not. You can't stay in limbo and still make decisions for your nation, OOC or not.

Enlighten me. Where does the Pax Cynica say that? Or are you simply arrogating to define standards of behaviors for other players, based solely on your personal views, without any authority to do so, and expecting others (or is it just me?) to conform, and when they don't, you go to moderation to bitch about it? It's like suing your neighbour for refusing to eat cereal with milk when you do.

Now, if you wish to pursue infantile and immature vendettas (and that is what it is, because there are regular transgressions and you rarely point those out, yet you point my actions out even though they are fully "legal" under the Pax Cynica), fine. I can expect no better of you. Really, though, grow up. You may be almost a decade older than I am; you may have gotten very high marks on your SAT to get into med school; you may consider yourself intellectually superior to the vast majority of you peers. But grow up. At one point you will have to figure out when enough is enough. I will not run after you hereafter because I am sick of this shit, sick of this immature, stupid and petty shit. I hope that it will stop now, but if you cannot resist scraping the bottom, I can't do much to stop you. But if you insist on trying to make my life as difficult as possible, at least get the facts straight first.

And no, Afrocentric, there is no repressed love here.

[Valdštejn]

EEl123 has summed it up pretty well - as long as he doesn't propose bills using the game's variables, there's nothing illegal about it.

[EEL123]

There we go. So spare me the complaints.

[LukasV]

Now, if you wish to pursue infantile and immature vendettas (and that is what it is, because there are regular transgressions and you rarely point those out, yet you point my actions out even though they are fully "legal" under the Pax Cynica), fine. I can expect no better of you. Really, though, grow up. You may be almost a decade older than I am; you may have gotten very high marks on your SAT to get into med school; you may consider yourself intellectually superior to the vast majority of you peers. But grow up. At one point you will have to figure out when enough is enough. I will not run after you hereafter because I am sick of this shit, sick of this immature, stupid and petty shit. I hope that it will stop now, but if you cannot resist scraping the bottom, I can't do much to stop you. But if you insist on trying to make my life as difficult as possible, at least get the facts straight first.

I'm only 20. But you know, if I truly am talking to a 10 year old, then kudos to your vocabulary.

[EEL123]

I'm only 20. But you know, if I truly am talking to a 10 year old, then kudos to your vocabulary.

From what I know, in the US (I imagine that more people here are from the US than any other country) you need an undergrad degree before med school, so I was assuming that you were at least 21 or 22. Given that med school goes for four years, to my knowledge, I assumed that you were between 21 and 26. The average would be 23.5. I'm 14. So, yes, nearly a decade.