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Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby cm9777 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:24 am

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The following is a thread where users can post a query if they would like clarification or think an error was made whether it be from Moderation or a member of the GRC. This generally relates to all of the different requests present in the Game Moderation forum. If you do not feel comfortable asking publicly, you may also pm a moderator/GRC Member (Depending on what request it is) with your query, however, future queries should be directed here. This is to ensure that these request threads are not derailed which could result in the missing of other users requests.

Note that generally if you are messaged privately by a moderator/GRC Member you should reply to the said private message rather than express your query publicly since such matters are often sensitive issues. If you disagree with what you have been told/what has been done, the appropriate procedure is to ask for further clarification or point out where you think there was an error in judgement. At No point should this thread nor any other public thread, discord server etc. be used as a platform to grandstand or launch personal attacks against Moderation, the GRC or your fellow players. Constructive Criticism is always welcome and indeed essential but this should never resort to a personal level.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Occam » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:06 am

Re: proposed CP for Hulstria and Gao-Soto (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=572325 / viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6369&start=660#p135596)

Unless I am misinterpreting the bill, the numbers in the religion section don't add up:

» Hosianism - 25%
-- Confessional Luthoranism (High Church Lutheranism) - 16%
-- Aurorian Patriarchalism (Catholicism) - 10%
-- Other (incl. Ameliorate Hosianism) - 2%

The sub-groups add up to 28%, not 25%

» Daenism (Buddhism) - 12%
-- Mazdayana (Mahayana) - 5%
-- Zensho (Zen) - 4%
-- Draddwyr Daenism (Celtic Buddhism) - 2%

The sub-groups add up to 11%, not 12%.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Martinulus » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:10 am

And here I thought I'd checked this... Oops. Apparently I only checked the totals. I leave it up to moderation whether we'll have to pass a new bill to fix it.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Polites » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:07 pm

Good catch on this, I might've missed it myself as well.

@Martinulus, better if you pass a new bill, since this will be archived and posted for reference.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Bachelot » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:02 pm

Please look into the following issues.

Cultural Protocol update requests for Indrala and Cobura appear to have been overlooked. In each case, Moderation acknowledged the update request and said they would respond in 48 hours, but then there appeared to be no follow-up.

(On a smaller issue, there was also no follow-up on the Cultural Protocol Approvals thread to the Cultural Protocol update request for Hulstria. Presumably this was due to to the issue related on the above posts on this thread. However, for the sake of clarity, I would suggest it would have been helpful if this had been explicitly mentioned on the actual Cultural Protocols Approvals thread.)

A request to create a new Cultural Protocol for Hobrazia was accepted, but the Cultural Protocols Index was not updated to reflect this. In fact, the Index continues to list Hobrazia as Culturally Open, which obviously it is not now. Also, the Nation Renaming Guide was not updated to reflect its new Cultural Protocol. Presumably the entry should now be "Georgian", not "Any".

Alduria's Cultural Protocol update request was accepted, but Moderation inserted the link for the new Cultural Protocol bill into Luthori's entry in the Cultural Protocols Index instead of Alduria's, which means the entries for both Alduria and Luthori are now inaccurate.

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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby cm9777 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:02 pm

Bachelot wrote:Please look into the following issues.

Cultural Protocol update requests for Indrala and Cobura appear to have been overlooked. In each case, Moderation acknowledged the update request and said they would respond in 48 hours, but then there appeared to be no follow-up.

(On a smaller issue, there was also no follow-up on the Cultural Protocol Approvals thread to the Cultural Protocol update request for Hulstria. Presumably this was due to to the issue related on the above posts on this thread. However, for the sake of clarity, I would suggest it would have been helpful if this had been explicitly mentioned on the actual Cultural Protocols Approvals thread.)

A request to create a new Cultural Protocol for Hobrazia was accepted, but the Cultural Protocols Index was not updated to reflect this. In fact, the Index continues to list Hobrazia as Culturally Open, which obviously it is not now. Also, the Nation Renaming Guide was not updated to reflect its new Cultural Protocol. Presumably the entry should now be "Georgian", not "Any".

Alduria's Cultural Protocol update request was accepted, but Moderation inserted the link for the new Cultural Protocol bill into Luthori's entry in the Cultural Protocols Index instead of Alduria's, which means the entries for both Alduria and Luthori are now inaccurate.

Thank you for your time.


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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Bachelot » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:01 am

All of the instances referred to in my previous post occurred between May 15th, which is nearly 2 months ago, and June 26th, which is over 2 weeks ago. As you know, there have been long-running, recurring issues regarding the processing of Cultural Protocol requests.

Due to this, on numerous occasions over the last year or so I have personally gone to the effort of contacting Moderators after mistakes or oversights were made. The most common examples of this are Cultural Protocol update requests being posted on the forum by players and then being overlooked by Moderation (ie. for way longer than the usual 48 hour consultation period, sometimes for more than a week) and the Cultural Protocols Index not being accurately updated after a Cultural Protocol has been updated.

The Cultural Protocols Index is a key reference point for both players and Moderators in terms of identifying what the current Cultural Protocols are for each nation, and following the Cultural Protocols is a key part of the rules and the game. It is important that it forms a clear and accurate record. If it is allowed to subside into disorganisation, then unfortunately there is a significant risk that will cause unnecessary confusion and inconvenience, not to mention the possibility of disputes arising.

I have assisted Moderators with these problems a great deal already, but will not be able to do so going into the future. Given this, I hope some serious thought will go into exploring the options in terms of making sure the Cultural Protocol system is administered efficiently and accurately. When the concept of Cultural Protocols was first mooted some years back, the possibility was raised of appointing a new "Cultural Moderator". Perhaps that is an option worth exploring again now? All this really needs is someone who is committed, has a good eye for detail and has the available time. It would probably not usually take more than 45 minutes a week, so not overly demanding, in the scale of things.

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You announced on the Cultural Protocol Approvals thread that Indrala's Cultural Protocol update request had been "Approved in Case there was any confusion thanks". Please allow me to point out that the approval was not actually stated on the thread, and also that the Cultural Protocols Index has not yet been updated to reflect the update. The Index has not yet been updated to reflect Cobura's Cultural Protocol update, either.

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Following the corrections you made, the entries in the Cultural Protocols Index for Hobrazia and Luthori now link to Cultural Protocol reference bills sitting in the bill debates sections of the nation pages. The usual procedure is to link the entry to the actual bill that was actually passed. One of the reasons for this is that bills which are still in the debate section can at any time be edited or even deleted by the user who created them.

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Once again, thank you for your time.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Polites » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:41 am

Thanks for pointing this out, we've updated the Index so it should be up to date. If we missed anything please let us know.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Bachelot » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:39 pm

The entries for Hobrazia and Luthori still need to be corrected.

There also appear to be issues with the Third World Control Register.

Noumonde is supposed to be controlled by EdmundS, but is listed as being controlled by Axxell.

Vanakalam is supposed to be controlled by QV73, but is listed as Open (ie. not controlled by anybody).

Bianje is supposed be controlled by Reddy, but is listed as Open.

Tropica is supposed to have been removed from Elf, but is still listed as being under his control.

Istapali is supposed to be co-controlled by Lewis and cm9777, but is still listed as being solely controlled by CM9777.

A smaller point, but Ostland appears to have been given to Auditorii on June 23rd, whilst he is listed as having been in control since February 20th.
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Re: Moderation/GRC Queries

Postby Occam » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:04 pm

Bachelot wrote:Due to this, on numerous occasions over the last year or so I have personally gone to the effort of contacting Moderators after mistakes or oversights were made.
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I have assisted Moderators with these problems a great deal already, but will not be able to do so going into the future.

It's laudable that you do this. But we should keep in mind that we're not a bunch of little kids. When someone makes a request and doesn't get an answer in time, it's not unreasonable to expect them to remind Moderation. Players are at least as much responsible for making sure that things are kept up-to-date as Moderation.
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