Requests: General [A]

[Aquinas]

Please ignore Siggon, terrojasangel. Don't take it personally - he is like this with everybody .

For what it's worth, from my perspective it seems there have been lot of misunderstandings in Ikradon - much of it based around confusions over whether comments were in character (IC) or out of character (OOC). This is not an uncommon occurence in this game. Many of us have gotten into a dispute or a misunderstanding with another player at some point or other - myself included. The internet is not always the best medium for communication.

One thing I would suggest to the Ikradon players is that you consider more clearly designating each of your in-game comments as IC or OOC. You can do this either by prefixing them with "IC:" or "OOC:", or by giving each comment a speaker (eg. "President Rafael Duvalle" or whoever). I appreciate this may seem unnecessary hassle, but it does significantly reduce the risk of misunderstandings and, in my experience at least, it is definitely worth doing.

[Siggon Kristov]

Please ignore Siggon, terrojasangel. Don't take it personally - he is like this with everybody .

He isn't supposed to take it personally, but it doesn't mean he needs to be ignorant.
There is a difference between ignoring something, and not taking it personally.
I didn't intend for the message to be taken personally, but it doesn't mean I intended for it to be ignored.

For what it's worth, from my perspective it seems there have been lot of misunderstandings in Ikradon - much of it based around confusions over whether comments were in character (IC) or out of character (OOC). This is not an uncommon occurence in this game. Many of us have gotten into a dispute or a misunderstanding with another player at some point or other - myself included. The internet is not always the best medium for communication.

One thing I would suggest to the Ikradon players is that you consider more clearly designating each of your in-game comments as IC or OOC. You can do this either by prefixing them with "IC:" or "OOC:", or by giving each comment a speaker (eg. "President Rafael Duvalle" or whoever). I appreciate this may seem unnecessary hassle, but it does significantly reduce the risk of misunderstandings and, in my experience at least, it is definitely worth doing.

Does your "perspective" involve not checking his comments on bills? He does clearly differentiate IC from OOC posts.
When a player says "We" - it is obvious he is speaking as a character representing his party. If he says only "I" then it is questionable unless he signs the message with a character name.
He signs his comments with a character/speaker, and when he makes OOC comments, he designates them as OOC.
He isn't the only player that does this. Other players, even without signing a character's name to a message, use words like "we" to let you know they're speaking as the party, and not the player. They also tag messages as OOC when necessary.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=381227
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=381152
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=381145
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=381119
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=381082
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380986
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380975
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380974
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380961
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380959
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380931

So yes, ignoring things doesn't always work out. You're telling him to ignore me; he should be ignoring you.
You don't even look at Ikradon's situation before you talk; you simply ignore it then make up some unrelated advice to the situation.

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Anyways, as Jack and the moderators probably want... this is better left as a private issue, and not discussed here, which is why I said what I said...
Y'all can do your emotional stuff in private messages. It's not needed on a Moderation thread.

[seanrutter]

Any news on when the "Creating the Law" final submissions will be unlocked? It's been a couple of months.

[Valdštejn]

Any news on when the "Creating the Law" final submissions will be unlocked? It's been a couple of months.

As soon as all the mods have time to discuss and possibly implement all the open proposals. I can't give you a definite date yet, but probably not too soon.

[EgeDoruk]

I have a question about cultures.

I'm now in Malivia, and I want to address the cultural issue there. As you'll know, it's been declared on here that Malivia has an Indian/Hindi culture, but some of us remember when Malivia was Germanic. So I was wondering whether I would be allowed to have both Hindi and German as recognised languages there, and also have both cultures present in Malivia? That'd probably solve the problem and would allow both Hindi and German-named parties.

Thanks for your time.

Changed countries already

[EgeDoruk]

I have a question about cultures.

I'm now in Malivia, and I want to address the cultural issue there. As you'll know, it's been declared on here that Malivia has an Indian/Hindi culture, but some of us remember when Malivia was Germanic. So I was wondering whether I would be allowed to have both Hindi and German as recognised languages there, and also have both cultures present in Malivia? That'd probably solve the problem and would allow both Hindi and German-named parties.

Thanks for your time.

Changed countries already

Yes, I am suffering from the same thing as yourself, Ege.

, Yes, we have commitment issues

[TheNewGuy]

I have a question about cultures.

I'm now in Malivia, and I want to address the cultural issue there. As you'll know, it's been declared on here that Malivia has an Indian/Hindi culture, but some of us remember when Malivia was Germanic. So I was wondering whether I would be allowed to have both Hindi and German as recognised languages there, and also have both cultures present in Malivia? That'd probably solve the problem and would allow both Hindi and German-named parties.

Thanks for your time.

If a mod could reply ASAP, before I start working on a cultural protocol to clear up the 'is it German or Indian?' problem once and for all, it would be appreciated. Although, I do understand some of you are busy.

Bump.

[EDIT] I've created this: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=383746, would it be acceptable?

While I again will defer to Rapax and Vald on this as they are both more qualified than I on this issue, I am hesitant to see such a high number for the German-speakers. Generally we encourage and allow the creation of minorities that were not previously recognized but as to my knowledge (which, granted, is limited) there has not been a German-speaking plurality in Malivia for a very long time and you're asking us to OK one.

Vald, Rapax, thoughts?

[Valdštejn]

I have a question about cultures.

I'm now in Malivia, and I want to address the cultural issue there. As you'll know, it's been declared on here that Malivia has an Indian/Hindi culture, but some of us remember when Malivia was Germanic. So I was wondering whether I would be allowed to have both Hindi and German as recognised languages there, and also have both cultures present in Malivia? That'd probably solve the problem and would allow both Hindi and German-named parties.

Thanks for your time.

If a mod could reply ASAP, before I start working on a cultural protocol to clear up the 'is it German or Indian?' problem once and for all, it would be appreciated. Although, I do understand some of you are busy.

In the last centuries it has been rped as almost exclusively South-east Asian, with the German influence fading away as remnants of an unspecified colonial past. Thus, Malivians in general wouldn't be white or German speaking, but the main indigenous population. By the way, while the religion is Indian, the culture is south-east Asian, and a mixture of the (relatively homogenous) Indonesian, Malaysian, Brunei culture. Especially the language.
Saying that, there are some things in your proposed cultural makeup that seem wrong to me.

So, going with the usual rules about culture and its protocols, Malivia can't have a major German-speaking population, and also not an Indian but Indonesian one.

[Valdštejn]

*Sigh*

Sorry, but as someone who's been playing Particracy since 2008 I have never known significant 'Indonesian, Malaysian, Brunei culture' in Malivia. It's either been totally bland, German, or had some weird culture.

Also, according to your own 'Cultural Protocols Index' it says: 'Malivia - Indian, Hindu'. I based my percentages loosely on a census bill that was passed in Malivia: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=302765 which confirms German-speakers and a predominantly white population. I don't see any cultural protocols for Malivia either.

Now, I moved there on the assumption that you'd allow me to confirm its Indian (Indian because your Cultural Protocol Index says so) culture and reintroduce its German aspects that had completely vanished. If what I'm doing is against the rules then I'm going to have to quit Malivia.

It had "Indonesian, Malaysian, Brunei" culture back when I was there, about two months ago. It also had weird sect stuff, but that was just the religion. But anything else, especially the names of people and offices, was mostly Indonesian.
As you noticed, there are no cultural protocols for Malivia, but that isn't the point, the point is that the nation is classified as "culturally active". In the meantime it's probably rather "culturally dormant", but both means that the culture it has/had last is protected. And that culture was South-East Asian, while the religion was Hindu, which is probably why that got written into the index (also because superficially they would look the same to anyone not carefully analysing the difference, which isn't really what the Index is for; the Index is there to show which nations are culturally protected, and in the case of those with cultural activity but without protocols, they just give a superficial summary of the cultures at work).

Since I'm the one who made the culture in place before you came to Malivia, in order to avoid any conflict of interest that might cloud my judgement, I will defer this matter entirely to the other mods, though.

[catparty]

Is Malivia still predominantly following the Gerajan religion (vaguely Hindu)?