I share Kubrick's view that given this issue was under discussion here, it would have been nice if Moderation had had the courtesy to update us as to the decision that was implemented. It would also have been nice if Kubrick had been directly personally informed as well, since he is the player being affected.
I have two other issues to raise, both of which also relate to nation renaming issues.
1.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4361&p=144319#p144307cm9777 wrote:Hi Yolo, both of these bills are in voting. Generally Moderation only removes bills that are in the debate section. They are also seemingly important naming bills. Could you provide a bit of clarification on this one?
CM appears to have confused the renaming thread, where Yolo (quite properly) posted this request, with the Bill Clearouts Requests thread. Also, those bills have been properly passed.
2.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6370&p=144317#p144317cm9777 wrote:Aquinas wrote:There is an issue with Cabinet Minister naming in Hobrazia not conforming to its
Georgian Cultural Protocol.
http://classic.particracy.net/viewcabin ... ationid=12Chancellor Progressive Partia of Hobrazia Alexandria Romansky
Foreign Affairs United Communist Party Greg Lets
Internal Affairs United Communist Party Harry Bert
Finance United Communist Party Fred Perez
Defence United Communist Party Ted Knot
Justice United Communist Party George Klose
Infrastructure and Transport United Communist Party Will Backs
Health and Social Services Progressive Partia of Hobrazia Desmond Unctiones
Education and Culture Progressive Partia of Hobrazia Gregory Armour
Science and Technology Progressive Partia of Hobrazia Lindsay Sergeant
Food and Agriculture United Communist Party Amy Washington
Environment and Tourism United Communist Party Bruce Smith
Trade and Industry United Communist Party Robert Johns
Similarly, there is an issue with the nation name, which is currently in English ("Capitalist State of Hobrazia"), when the
Nation Renaming Guide indicates it should be in Georgian.
Players messaged though with the nation name, Moderators have generally followed the idea that nation names are either in English or in that particular cultural language (same as party names) so I am not going to request it be renamed at this stage.
Please read the
Game Rules, section 5e of which states:
Moderation controls the renaming of nations and as such reserve the right to query or deny a Nation Renaming Request. To rename a nation a user must pass a bill with a ⅔ majority of seats and send a request to Moderation via the Nation Renaming Request thread. Renamings must be in line with the Cultural Protocols of the nation in question. User should consult the Nation Renaming Guide to ensure that their changes conform to the prevailing culture of the nation.
Please also read the
Nation Renaming Guide, which clarifies:
On the right hand side of the list are the language(s) in which the text in the nation's title surrounding the core name should be presented. Exceptions to this will only be granted at Moderation's discretion and where a very strong case has been presented. English translations may always be included in the nation title in brackets.
It is permitted to present a nation's title as simply the core name (eg. "Telamon") without any surrounding text.
If CM's statement that "Moderators have generally followed the idea that nation names are either in English or in that particular cultural language" is correct, then Moderators have not been following the rules as they are currently laid out. Non-Englsh nations are only meant to have English nation titles in exceptional circumstances. My simple and reasonable request is for Moderation to either follow the rules or amend the rules to reflect current practice.
In my personal view, it is better to insist on the nation name being in a language which reflects the culture of the nation. Part of the reason for this is that the nation title is easy (or at least, should be easy) for Moderation to regulate, because it is Moderators who manually change the nation title. Other aspects are not so easy for Moderation to control. For example, party names are manually set by the player, which is why it is just massively easier to permit English party names. Similarly, constitutional variables (eg. legislature name, Head of State title) are controlled through game mechanic bills, and cannot be manually changed by Moderators, which again, is one of the reasons it is just easier to always tolerate the use of English there.
In a non-English nation, if English nation titles are allowed, then it is quite possible we will have situations where
none of the obvious national variables (excepting character names, which are regulated) reflect the fact the nation is not English, and we know from previous experience that this situation can undermine the confidence of players in the general effectiveness of Cultural Protocols.
I understand Moderation is planning a
rules redraft in about 2 weeks. Is there any chance you guys would consider putting nation renaming issues on the agenda, so that this can be discussed and settled?