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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby Maximus » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:29 pm

TheNewGuy wrote:Maximus: We cannot make the change that you are requesting. You will have to do some variant of what you said, the monarchists of Particracy have long debated over what method is best in this circumstance. You can open the election and have everyone run ".", you could have the HoS be an openly elected representative of the monarch (so something like a title of "Elected representative of His Majestic Highness Wilhelm XI, Governor" and then the HoS that is elected will be named, or you could run an election every time you need to do a succession.


Thanks, I was just curious if moderation could do anything.
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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby TheNewGuy » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:56 pm

Siggon Kristov wrote:What do I do, here? (OOC discussion welcomed on the bill itself for non-Moderators)
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=379651

So, I ask Moderation:

Will someone else need to take on my obligations?
May I be able to do them myself? (Players could report me for malpractices)

If I was to do it myself, it would only involve record-keeping.
I understand that I couldn't set anything to vote.

Of course, there is always the option to invite someone to come and keep the system, but no-one has accepted such an offer so far.


SiggonKristov: First, thank you for your patience as we deliberated.

After conferring, Moderation has determined that if you wish to see the system maintained you will either a). need to find someone to take over your duties in maintaining the system or b). need to stay in Beluzia and maintain the system yourself.

While your willingness to allow players to report you for malpractice should you do so from afar is noted, it is impossible to ensure that, for instance, new players to Beluzia will understand the system as it is set up. This might lead to situations where new players mistakenly operate outside of the bounds of the system and either throw the system into disarray or face the ire of the established players in Beluzia. Such a situation is undesirable in either circumstance.

Essentially it boils down to this. If you wish to see the system continue, either remain and defend it yourself or find someone you trust to defend it for you. If you are the only one enjoying the system (this is assuming you couldn't find someone to continue the system for you) and the others are just "tagging along," there really is no point to allowing you to continue the system from afar while you play somewhere else. This would be similar to having parties in two nations (or at least wielding influence in two nations similar to such a circumstance).

We appreciate your understanding.

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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby Siggon Kristov » Thu May 02, 2013 8:05 pm

TheNewGuy wrote:
Siggon Kristov wrote:What do I do, here? (OOC discussion welcomed on the bill itself for non-Moderators)
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=379651

So, I ask Moderation:

Will someone else need to take on my obligations?
May I be able to do them myself? (Players could report me for malpractices)

If I was to do it myself, it would only involve record-keeping.
I understand that I couldn't set anything to vote.

Of course, there is always the option to invite someone to come and keep the system, but no-one has accepted such an offer so far.

First, thank you for your patience as we deliberated.

I'll need even more patience now since you answered an imaginary request, and not one I asked.

TheNewGuy wrote:Essentially it boils down to this. If you wish to see the system continue, either remain and defend it yourself or find someone you trust to defend it for you. If you are the only one enjoying the system (this is assuming you couldn't find someone to continue the system for you) and the others are just "tagging along," there really is no point to allowing you to continue the system from afar while you play somewhere else.

This addresses absolutely nothing relating to what I asked. I never said I would be maintaining the system in the sense of being a vanguard or a player who is promoting it, or forcing it to be in place. All "my obligations" included was record keeping, i.e. doing calculations after elections (I doubt I'll even need to interact with the players).
It won't be me maintaining the system as in protecting it or ensuring that it's recognised; the payers there will already determine that. The players, themselves, were asking me to do the calculations for them. Calculations are all I'd be doing; I can't alter the election results which determine the calculations, and I won't be controlling any characters, so there is no need for me to even interact with players.
One of the players only speaks fluent gibberish; the other, who is willing to help, says he'll be too busy to do the calculations.
I wouldn't be wielding influence or controlling anything; I would only be doing calculations while the treaty is kept signed. As soon as they withdraw from the treaty, the system ends and there's no need for me to do the calculations. I asked Moderation to do calculations, but you're all so busy and the request was rejected. Moderation said that the only thing that can be done (in regards to calculations) is checking on calculations if a player has a problem with something.
If players don't like the system, they can simply withdraw from the treaty; I'll have no control over that, and I haven't had control over that even while being in Beluzia.

TheNewGuy wrote:This would be similar to having parties in two nations (or at least wielding influence in two nations similar to such a circumstance).

By your standards, Romulus would be multi-ing as well, since we have a union with Keymon and he participates in the electoral college (and checks to see if voting is done). He is a party in both Beluzia and Keymon. Personal unions are against game rules, then?

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I honestly can't bother; it is difficult to communicate with you all (you let me wait for weeks, then not even respond to what I asked). It's less work for me if the system dies anyway. Hail bland republics!
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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby TheNewGuy » Thu May 02, 2013 8:17 pm

Siggon Kristov wrote:I honestly can't bother; it is difficult to communicate with you all (you let me wait for weeks, then not even respond to what I asked). It's less work for me if the system dies anyway. Hail bland republics!


I ask that you try to understand (once again) that we are all volunteers who attempt to do the best we can to uniformly enforce the rules of this game as they stand. We did not write the rules, and must in certain circumstances attempt to interpret the intent behind the rules as they were written. This is made incredibly difficult in circumstances like the ones you have introduced: you are doing stuff with the game that was never anticipated and we have to hustle to keep up. That said, I, for one, particularly appreciate the innovative system you have designed in Beluzia.

That said, I do believe that I misunderstood your request and, thus, misportrayed it to the other moderators when I opened discussion. If all you are doing is calculation, I believe you should be allowed to move forward with this plan. There is nothing to say that the parties in Beluzia couldn't simply have messaged you with requests to do the calculations and then posted your calculations themselves once you responded. I believe this is fine, and I will conditionally amend the ruling here:

1). I would prefer that active parties IN Beluzia post the calculations themselves, even if they are messaging you and having you do the calculations and then copy-pasting. This way we can ensure that parties in Beluzia are actively involved in the system and not just passively "letting it happen."
2). I will OK this now in the interest of allowing you to move to Indrala as I know you have been waiting for some time. SHOULD Vald or Rapax express opposition to my conditional ruling in this post, I reserve the right for Moderation to reverse this conditional ruling and require parties in Beluzia to do the calculations themselves. I doubt this will be the case, but I want to make sure they can weigh in if they would like to.

That said, I appreciate your patience with us, again, and I must say that I resent the confrontational tone of your previous post. Moderation is doing our best given the circumstances. Please try to be considerate of that fact.

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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby Siggon Kristov » Thu May 02, 2013 8:25 pm

TheNewGuy wrote:I would prefer that active parties IN Beluzia post the calculations themselves, even if they are messaging you and having you do the calculations and then copy-pasting. This way we can ensure that parties in Beluzia are actively involved in the system and not just passively "letting it happen."

They're not "posted" separately; I just update a bill.
What if the player goes inactive? That would call for me to have direct communication with another player to request that he/she post it instead. This is what could count as me controlling things there, which I won't do because it's like forcing them to maintain the system through a player. I'd be constantly contacting them.
I would prefer to, instead, just update the bill in the quiet (without needing to interact with any of the players) and they use the information on it when they want it. Instead of them contacting me directly, they'll just have the results put down for when they want to use it. Elections are not held often, and I won't actually be holding elections; I'll only be updating the composition of the electoral college, and the players hold elections whenever they want to. The process of holding elections doesn't involve me, only updating the records involves me.
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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby TheNewGuy » Thu May 02, 2013 10:05 pm

Siggon Kristov wrote:
TheNewGuy wrote:I would prefer that active parties IN Beluzia post the calculations themselves, even if they are messaging you and having you do the calculations and then copy-pasting. This way we can ensure that parties in Beluzia are actively involved in the system and not just passively "letting it happen."

They're not "posted" separately; I just update a bill.
What if the player goes inactive? That would call for me to have direct communication with another player to request that he/she post it instead. This is what could count as me controlling things there, which I won't do because it's like forcing them to maintain the system through a player. I'd be constantly contacting them.
I would prefer to, instead, just update the bill in the quiet (without needing to interact with any of the players) and they use the information on it when they want it. Instead of them contacting me directly, they'll just have the results put down for when they want to use it. Elections are not held often, and I won't actually be holding elections; I'll only be updating the composition of the electoral college, and the players hold elections whenever they want to. The process of holding elections doesn't involve me, only updating the records involves me.


Fine by me, so long as active players are the ones nominating actual candidates for HoS, etc., as you have outlined. If they let it die, they let it die; the system itself cannot be enforced except by a party actively in the nation... In this manner, this is the same as with the Romulus/personal union issue you mentioned before: it is all well and good to claim that Beluzia/Keymon are joined in RP, but if the parties in those states do not update the HoS in parallel that is within their right: mechanics trump RP.

And, of course, my second condition stands: if either Vald or Rapax see any reason to pull the plug on this, it is certainly within their right to do so. I am making an atypical unilateral ruling here for the sake of expedience, but I stand by either of them if they have reservations regarding what I have said.
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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby Siggon Kristov » Thu May 02, 2013 11:03 pm

TheNewGuy wrote:Fine by me, so long as active players are the ones nominating actual candidates for HoS, etc., as you have outlined.

That is what would have happened, but I already decided to kill it, so never mind.
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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby TheNewGuy » Sun May 05, 2013 2:30 pm

J94CK wrote:Is someone calling me 'shitty at RP' against the game rules? I've already been called a fascist by players in Ikradon, just because my party isn't socialist and just because I debate with them rather than allowing them to throw all sorts of accusations against my party. I've also been accused of 'god-mode everything' because I've proposed moves towards a free market economy. :shock:

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=380793

I've settled in Ikradon, and was quite enjoying being there.
However, I don't want it to become a chore where I have to endure personal attacks every so often, just because I don't share the same political views as them.


Such language and personal attacks are not permitted under Pax Cynica. The user has received an official warning. Being called fascist IC is not against the rules, however.
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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby SCI » Wed May 08, 2013 10:25 pm

I'm assuming the word "kindly" before "fuck off" doesn't ease the offence any.

Perhaps now we can discuss how forum members are ganging up on Ikradon?

You know, their refusal to RP, is whats wrong with the game today. I truly don't like players who refuse to RP at all because they wish to be the "perfect nation that never has any problems". Well shit, if you want to go do that, then hop your lazy ass on NationStates and create your own country. Go waste precious bandwidth there and kindly get the fuck off of Particracy.

Aint nobody got time for that foolishness!


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Re: Questions & Requests

Postby meisme » Wed May 08, 2013 10:35 pm

SCI wrote:I'm assuming the word "kindly" before "fuck off" doesn't ease the offence any.

Perhaps now we can discuss how forum members are ganging up on Ikradon?

You know, their refusal to RP, is whats wrong with the game today. I truly don't like players who refuse to RP at all because they wish to be the "perfect nation that never has any problems". Well shit, if you want to go do that, then hop your lazy ass on NationStates and create your own country. Go waste precious bandwidth there and kindly get the fuck off of Particracy.

Aint nobody got time for that foolishness!


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Well, their isn't really you can do with how people view your nation and what it does. Free speech and what not. However, the swearing might warrant something, but I doubt it.


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