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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Aquinas » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:57 pm

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=630266

I like Robmark and his RP, and this is nothing personal against him, but I do feel the above bill, related to what he is doing with his second account in Kanjor, deserves to be queried.

This bill, according to the bill description, will turn the nation of Kanjor in to a corporation, and will rename it "Le Conglomérat de Kanjor™ / The Kanjor Conglomerate™ (Kanjor)". The Head of State will become the "Chief Executive Officer of the Conglomerate", the Head of Government will become the "First Shareholder" and the legislature will become the "Corporate Council of Shareholders". Even the national motto will become "More Profits, At All Costs" and the national anthem will become a version of "God save the Queen", rendered as "God save the CEO"...

Nobody loves creativity and novelty in this game more than me, but...

My argument would run that to transform a nation in to a corporation is an unusual thing to do. I do not suggest it should be considered completely implausible, but I do suggest that unless such a move is accompanied by solid RP over a reasonable period of time, it veers towards being unrealistic RP.

There is, as I understand it, a general expectation that second accounts are meant to benefit RP, and therefore I would assume that the expectation of realistic RP would, perhaps, if anything, be higher for a second account than it would for a player running only a single account. I query whether the realism threshold has been met in this case, as Robmark has only made one short post on the Kanjor news thread, and there has not been a great deal of RP in-game either.

When Robmark applied for his second account in Kanjor he specified nothing about turning Kanjor in to a corporation. He did state his plan was to "restore the administration of the Federal Republic of Kanjor like it was before the Socialist Revolution". My suggestion, FWIW, is that it would be better for him to focus more on doing that for now, and that the corporatisation of the country could perhaps follow at a later stage, after more extensive RP has demonstrated how such an extraordinary situation has come about.
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby robmark0000 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:44 am

I do not take this personal, I can assure you :)

That I do not wrote this in my second account request is a good critic, I am sorry, but my plan changed when Gabi arrived to Kanjor with his party, and this change was for better RP. If Moderation see this a thing, what shouldn't be allowed, I agree with it, but I suggest them to watch our RP in Kanjor, and decide about it in the end of it.

About concerns about realism is that a thing what you shouldn't concern about. The one short post is the result of that the in-game bill does not passed officially yet, so the IC characters cannot speak about it as an official thing, so I think it is just realistic. Btw, let me tell you our full plan, however with this I have to spoiler, you wanted it : P

The conglomerate wouldn't exist for long. Just for five, maximum ten years, and it entire existence'd be the fight against Gabi's left-wingers, and they'd win, of course in a revolution. Then we would create the simple Republic of Kanjor or United States of Kanjor, when we planning a two-party system with a party like Girondins (centre-left) and Hébertists (far-left). The conglomerate isn't a thing what would be lasting for centuries, so I think I will can RP it realistically.
If you concerns about the trading of conglomerate (especially the trading with Endralonian corps) is a thing what I definitely trying to AVOID. We have an agreement with Gabi, that we won't speak about 3M in our RP about tensions and trying to avoid this topic. As I write in my short post on Kanjor thread, the conglomerate will focusing on domestic production and growth, without the chance to make it beneficial for Endralon. Periodt.
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Auditorii » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:11 pm

We appreciate the comments on by both, it is something that has come up and we're discussing it internally.
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Leigh Bursey » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:33 am

I apologize if this is the wrong thread for such a question but I have looked long and hard and come up empty. The map of the world shows Keymonite territory towards the top right. Whether by intent or error, I would like to claim it on behalf of Keymon, like the bastard I am. Does this region have a name or any background as to why it may be marked in Keymonite black?

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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby jamescfm » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 am

The region of the world shown as being Keymonite is part of Dankuk (I believe it is Ulbraca). I don't know what caused the error with the world map but it has existed for some time now and the region has always been considered to remain part of Dankuk, including within the game mechanics. If you take a look at the two "Nation Overview" pages you'll see that Keymon only has the territory of Maddog whereas Dankuk retains all five regions. The "Maps of Terra" thread contains a better map of the world that also includes the forum-based countries (the grey area on the normal map).
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Aquinas » Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:19 am

Despite the fact they are Culturally Open, Endralon, Pontesi and Solentia have Cultural Protocol reference bills in their "Bills under debate" sections which convey the impression a Cultural Protocol is in place.

With regards to Auditorii's second account request, I would like to invite James and Vesica to consider the fact that Dorvik and Indrala are both at the very top of the military and economic rankings, and that if a player was to operate accounts in both nations at the same time, this may raise issues in regards to whether the the player is being allowed to exert disproportionate or undue influence in geopolitical RP.
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Rogue » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:36 am

Aquinas wrote:Despite the fact they are Culturally Open, Endralon, Pontesi and Solentia have Cultural Protocol reference bills in their "Bills under debate" sections which convey the impression a Cultural Protocol is in place.

With regards to Auditorii's second account request, I would like to invite James and Vesica to consider the fact that Dorvik and Indrala are both at the very top of the military and economic rankings, and that if a player was to operate accounts in both nations at the same time, this may raise issues in regards to whether the the player is being allowed to exert disproportionate or undue influence in geopolitical RP.


To add to that. The second account program, as ive discussed with Vesica in the past, is meant to encourage RP in specific nations. A precondition for it, in my opinion, is a player being active in RP and unfortunately Farsun has failed to keep up relative activity in Dorvik. The last post in the dorvish newspaper for example was at the 24th of august, over 6 days ago.

Farsun also doesnt have a great history of holding onto his second accounts for long. As seen in Barmenistan where he made a total of 1 post and left just days after he got his second account there, despite promising certain RP in his request.

Im not against him having second accounts at all. But i do believe we need to look at it objectively and remember what the second account program was originally created for. And i know, because im the one that reintroduced it.
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby jamescfm » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:39 am

I'll take both of you concerns into consideration with regard to the second accounts scheme and I'll deal with the cultural protocols that are in the "bills under debate" section too.
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Aquinas » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:05 am

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Regarding the increase in inactivation time from 72 hours to 96 hours...

The last time we had this, my recollection is it was still possible for an account to be inactivated at 72 hours (3 days) at the request of a player in the same nation.

Is this a clause worth considering now?
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Re: Moderation Queries and Feedback

Postby Reddy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:42 pm

Moderation, thank you for extending the inactivation period. I am one of the beneficiaries and wish the period could be extended even longer for entirely selfish reasons. I hope it will be made a permanent reform in time.
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