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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Liberation » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:17 am

I bring greetings to you all on behalf of our new Head of State, Edward Moore, along with the entire new government of Mordusia. As talks have previously commenced, we will make brief our proposal for peace and an amicable solution to the issues at hand. First, let me make several points concerning the history of Mordusia:

1) Mordusia, prior to belonging to a personal union, was a haven for freedom and peace. There were little laws restricting what one may or may not do, and those that were in place were for the benefit of the poor and oppressed, in the form of an extensive social state. After the decline of the parties bringing this change about, the Luthori Loyalist League imposed many barbaric laws and repealed the freedom enjoyed by all within the free communities within what some call our borders. We ask that the Luthori government issue an official apology for these actions, and issue reparations in the form of paying for the construction of a public school system when this comes to a vote.

2) The personal union was born following the restrictions of freedom. Although we have repealed many unjust laws, the time of the beginning of the personal union is remembered with sadness by most who inhabit Mordusia.

3) The monarchy represents a rich aristocracy out of touch with the people and symbolizes classism. No one, by virtue of birth, should be granted titles, real power, or symbolic power. It is the system itself we wish to change.

Recognizing these points, if it is truly a free personal union, we wish to divorce ourselves. If we are coerced by war, it simply proves that we are not free, and at any time the monarchy can reclaim past power and undo reforms. We desire a free, democratic state.

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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Xanathos » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:08 pm

"We come to a peace conference to attempt to solve our differences without the use of violence and dissuade our Aldurian allies from invading Mordusia and the Mordusian delegation insults us by making laughable demands not only of apologies but also of "reparations" and by spewing propaganda lies designed to smear the Imperial government? The internal policies the LLL enacted are none of our business. The LLL was a Mordusian party with no links to Luthori other than their gracious support of the monarchy an our alliance. The LLL represented the will of the people and enjoyed high approval ratings. The Empire has entered these negotiations with the knowledge that diplomacy requires compromise from both parties. The so called "Mordusian foreign minister" has only insulted the Empire and has not offered any compromise proposals. We demand that if these talks are to continue, Mordusia send a representative who knows the meaning of compromise and who has the good sense not to insult the possessor of the world's largest and most powerful militaries. The Empire frowns on war, which it considers the worst tool of diplomacy, but when all the other tools have been tried and have failed due to the stubborn and idiotic position of the other side, war becomes the only tool left."

-His Grace, William Rannigan,
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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Duke Matthus » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:34 pm

Let me be very clear Mr. Fitzgerald,

We do not talk likely to insults and considering we still have quite a few of our troops at your boarder do think twice about insulting us again, or we may have to move the Legions that we took away from the boarder back.

However, we will offer this following proposal, and please do think for I am not as forgiving or as much of a giver of second chances as my partner here is.

We propose that you follow the path that Alduria has taken and completely separate the Imperial and Executive Branch to form four branches in your government. By doing so the monarchy will stay in place with no power what so ever, as if it has any now, while holding the title of duel HoS with the elected "Consul" (name we have in Alduria but can be whatever in your nation). The monarchy shall be represented by an appointed Viceroy while the monarch is not residing in the nation and shall perform any of the ceremonial duties that the monarch would perform if he was present. As always the monarch would not be supported by the government and thus his only income is what he makes himself off of the lands and companies he owns. The monarch's only power is the right to grant titles of nobility, with no power or lands, and the right to be consulted on a declaration of war, but his approval is not needed for one to happen.

By allowing this the Personal Union stays and at the same time a more democratic state is created. Everyone wins and we can once again live in peace with our brothers.

As for the LLL, they were never party of Luthori, but a Mordusian party that once again came along well after the monarchy was established. The people followed them and when they lost the support of the people their rule ended. That is it, they were your problem, not anyone else’s.

So we advise the "new" Mordusian government to take our proposal for it is really the only option we will be considering unless another "agreeable" option is offered. Diplomacy is not one of insults, but of compromise and if you fail to realize that simple principle then it truly is obvious that you are unfit to rule Mordusia and that you are only trying to gain power for yourselves while using the good people of Mordusia as shields. This we will not stand by and watch and this we will bring you to justice on if this is the case.

-Lord Michel Frine
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The Imperial Viceroyalty of Alduria
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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Praetorian » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:26 pm

The newest Mordusian Delegation, Led by Foreign Minister Jessie Lu would like to first start by apologizing for the rash actions and statements made by the latest delegation. We no longer demand reparations of a public school system paid for by the Holy Luthori Empire, and we demand no official apology.

We also apologize for falsehoods spoken by the previous delegation. The personal Union was not a time of sorrow and grieving as they would have you believe. Although the Luthori Loyalist League did impose many harsh and unreasonable laws, we do not blame any nation for this, only the LLL. The personal Union also saw the rise of such parties as the Alliance Res Publica, the Conservative Party, the Mordusian National Liberation Organization, and the Caesarion League. With those four parties, came repeals and new acts to rid our nation of the ludicrous reforms put on our citizens by the LLL. Later the United Worker's Front and Union for Social Justice parties joined us in the correction of our laws. All happened under the Personal Union, which has giving the people a reason to rejoice under the Personal Union.

We also feel the need to apologize for harsh words spoken about The Crown, implying that the Emperor was an elitist, and cared little for the people of Mordusia.

But we do agree on some of their points, such as: No one, by virtue of birth, should be granted titles, real power, or symbolic power. It is the system itself we wish to change.

We the, Caesarion League, and all of Mordusia wish to change our government, from a Constitutional Monarchy, to a full Republic.

Our terms remain the same as those presented by the Alliance Res Publica, in that Mordusia shall not leave the Commonwealth of Nations Treaty, unless it has given a minimum of five (5) years notice and this has been approved by the Head of Government and three-fourths of the representatives of Mordusia. Mordusia shall re-affirm its commitment to the nations of Luthori and Alduria by proposing to maintain, at the least, current levels of trade, and the acceptance of non-aggression pacts between all the nations. Mordusia shall continue honor His Majesty, the Emperor's Birthday as a national holiday within our nation, to give due deference to our cultural and historical heritage that is shared with Alduria and Luthori. And in exchange, all other nations of the Commonwealth will agree to not intervene militarily or economically should the elected representatives of Mordusia choose to become a full Republic.

Foreign Minister Jessie Lu, The Caesarion League, and all of Mordusia thank the Nations of Luthori and Alduria for their patience and understanding during these confusing time in the Mordusian Government. Now that we are solid again, these talks may now be productive again, and we look forward to their peaceful conclusion.

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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Liberation » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:52 am

According to the constitution of Mordusia, the head of state is also responsible for representing Mordusia to the world. As symbol of the nation, he has decide to join talks at the table. In addition, the Head of Government is charged with "representing the government at home and abroad."

As head of state, I am responsible for "guarenteeing the independence" of Mordusia. Charged by the constitution, I will not fail in this duty. I hereby reiterate calls for a new public school system. We stand up to the imperialism of the Emperor. I ask one simple question: If this is a truly free union, why are we not free to leave without the threat of force?

Edward Moore
Head of State of Mordusia

As Prime Minister, I reiterate the calls for justice made by our previous Foreign Minister, Sean Fitzgerald.

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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Xanathos » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:54 pm

"His Majesty appreciates and accepts the foreign minister's apologies. We have been in contact with him on private channels for quite some time and we have managed to come to mutual agreement on already a set of issues. We agree on the following:

-Luthori and Alduria shall recognize Mordusia as a republic and a sovereign state.
-The Head of the House of Orange Villayn shall be recognized as the one and only perpetual Emperor of Mordusia.
-The Emperor of Mordusia shall have the sole prerogative to give out titles of nobility.
-Luthori, Alduria and Mordusia shall sign free trade and non-aggression pacts.
-The Republic of Mordusia shall remain in the CAT for a yet undetermined period.

Certain issue remain unresolved such as:

-The Emperor's use of the tile "Emperor of Mordusia" on its own.
-A Mordusian noble's right to vote or serve in elected office.
-The period for which Mordusia shall be obligated to remain in the CAT.
-Weather or not Luthori, Alduria and Mordusia shall sign a mutual defense treaty in addition to CAT membership.
-The status of an Imperial proposal to buy the colony of New Mordusia.

We hope we can come to a compromise to all of these issues that remain unresolved. We ask both Foreign Minister Lu and Foreign Minister Lord Frine their opinions on the situations.

Furthermore, we have noted the outburst from Mordusia's supposed head of state. Let it be known that both Luthori and Alduria will not accept to negotiate with any member of the so-called "Union for Social Change". With the agreement of the Mordusian Foreign Minister, we ask that any member of the USC be permanently banned from this conference. We find this to be completely, utterly and irrevocably necessary for the continuation of the negotiations."

-His Grace, William Rannigan,
7th Duke of Utagia,
Lord Great Chamberlain,
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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Praetorian » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:35 pm

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Luthori-Mordusia Peace Conference.


We would like to start off by first clarifying that those who accept titles of nobility from the Emperor will be allowed to vote, but can not hold public office. This was misinformation given to the Luthori party by the foreign ministry, and we apologize.

As for the remaining issues, the Emperor may not use the title of "Emperor of Mordusia on its own, because as a Republic, we will have no Emperor. However, he may refer to himself as "Emperor of Mordusia when speaking of past times, when he was the emperor of our Constitutional Monarchy. After we become a Republic, the Emperor may refer to himself as His Majesty, Emperor Henry Sayon-Mordus I of Mordusia & II of Alduria and Luthori. Otherwise he may not include Mordusia in his title.

The Mordusian Delegation is interested to hear proposals from the other parties on the duration for which Mordusia will stay in the Commonwealth Alliance Treaty.

Lastly, Mordusian colonies are not for sale. Would Luthori or Alduria sell its territory to Mordusia? What Mordusia owns, is what Mordusia will take with it into its Republic.

On a new note, all negotiating will be done by Foreign Minister Jessie Lu and member of the Caesarion League delegation, until we, ourselves, bow out to a new delegation.

We look forward to Luthori's and Alduria's responses, so we may come to a speedy, peaceful, conclusion, that will no doubt benefit all nations involved, and secure peace for all.

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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Liberation » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:03 pm

We will continue as representatives of the Mordusian left and government.

At this time we would like to submit the following for all delegations to consider:

http://classic.particracy.net/viewnatio ... ationid=26

A treaty has been drafted in support of the right of our people to be free from oppression. Although some parties, such as the USC, oppose violence at any time, for any reason, we will not simply stand by as our people are oppressed. We will not hesitate to demonstrate in the street. Why can Luthori not respond to our simple question: If we are truly a free union, why can one not leave?
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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Duke Matthus » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:25 am

We shall be very quick in our response.

Either we have the right to the title or we get New Mordusia. So if you want the land then would it kill you to allow him to hold a damn title?
I am sorry for my language but really people enough of this beating around the bush. It takes two to tango and while we have made head way, we will not give in to every little demand by a "Rebel" government. Yes that is what you are; a rebel government for the fact is you are trying to overthrow it. Peacefully at the moment, but none the less trying to end a system that is stable and is fair to the monarchist and republicanist of Mordusia.

-Lord Michel Frine
Minister of Foreign Affairs
The Imperial Viceroyalty of Alduria


As to the question asked on leaving:
Answer the question we have asked first and then we shall answer yours. What is it that makes the current system not free? What is it that makes the current elected official who holds ever damn power in the Imperial Dominion of Mordusia and is no way under the Emperor, not basically already the President of a Republic in all but name?

You want to play a question game then answer what are your real motives for this, for it is in no damn way the people's good will. Otherwise you would realize that the current system is the best for it has both monarchist and republicanist parts in it.
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Re: Luthori-Mordusia Conference

Postby Praetorian » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:30 am

Dearest Michel Frine,

There is no need to apologize for language, we all speak one type or another. As long as we are being frank, We will answer your question, and in turn, we wish for you to answer our questions. New Mordusia belongs to Mordusia, and Alduria has no claim to it. That is the same as us demanding a colony from Luthori. We have no claim to it in the slightest. If we are truly a sovereign nation, then what is ours, is ours. Sovereign nations are not rebels. So if we are not a sovereign nation, then we are striving to become one. But all along the Parti Imerpial du Peuple claimed that we have the right to run our country as we see fit. But if we are allowed to do so, why are there nations attempting to block our path? It seems to those in Mordusia that we none but a puppet government, given free will to do as we please, as long as our puppeteers agree. If we are a free nation, then we are free to change our government as we see fit, not as Alduria sees fit. Since you block our way, and you block our borders with armed soldiers ready to spill into our "sovereign" land at the drop of a hat, it is clear that you do not see fit for these puppets to go through these motions.

To answer your question, what we find wrong with our current system of government, is that we are not 100% free to do with our nation as we see fit, with the power given to us by the people, the billions of Mordusians, people of Mordusia. These are not people of Alduria, nor are they the people of Luthori. They have given us their voice to cry out with, their minds to think with, and their hands to take action with. Clearly billions of voices, hands, and minds are not what it takes to run a country, but one mind, one voice, and one pair of hands. Those all belong to one man, the Emperor. If the Emperor truly does not want something done, he uses that mind to raise the hands to carry out the voice's bidding, drowning out billions of people. Is this right? Not in Mordusia. Mordusia will become a republic. None here shall stop that. Mordusia will become a republic as a result of these talks. Without bloodshed, without threats, and without war. The only thing it will come with is compromise and understanding. But I digress. The power bestowed upon us by the citizens of Mordusia is worth as much as the dirt on my shoe, because the Emperor holds the real power, which is the case for Luthori and Alduria. Mordusia clearly is not free to do as it pleases, because their are nations who wish to stop them at every turn in some of their decisions. That is what is what we find wrong with our government, and we wish to change that.

Now it is time for you to answer our questions.

If this is a truly free union, why are we not free to leave without the threat of force? And what epic change will be brought about in your respective nations if Mordusia becomes a free republic? We have promised to maintain levels of trade, with the option to increase. We want to remain close allies, and protect each other from threats abroad. Nothing will change, other than the government of our country. We will continue to fight together as brothers, and we shall continue to trade and prosper as brothers, the only difference is one brother has a different hair color than the other two, if you understand my meaning.

Continuing on with the propositions, New Mordusia is not for sale, end of story. The new Emperor can be called "His Imperial and Most Excellent Majesty, Emperor George III of Luthori & I of Alduria & Mordusia" But he can not be called The Emperor of Mordusia alone. Why? Because Mordusia would have no Emperor.

And one final thing. I quote you when I say "You want to play a question game then answer what are your real motives for this, for it is in no damn way the people's good will. Otherwise you would realize that the current system is the best for it has both monarchist and republicanist parts in it.".

I will answer this. Our real motive is to obtain a free republic where the people of Mordusia may be heard over all else. No one, not the Emperor, nor any political party with a seat in the Parliment, may drown them out. But apparently that is not our true motive. Because according to you, and ultimately the Emperor, the current system is what is best for our free, sovereign nation, that we can not control. Do you see the irony in this? The people of Mordusia want a republic. They want duly elected officials to speak for them. They don't want a monarch, to tell them what to do, they want to tell us what to do. To have the Emperor in this thus would not be the best system. For you to tell us, and force us, otherwise would only go to show that we are not a free nation as you claim, but truly a vassel state that has limitations, unlike the limteless power of truly independent nations.

If we are rebels, we are not the government, because a government can not revolt against anything, but the people can revolt against a government. I cede the floor to you with one final question. Are we rebels, or a sovereign nation?

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