Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

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Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby Bismarkey7 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:23 am

Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference; The Goldstein Intercontinental Hotel, Yishalem, Endild, Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu; August 15, 2962:

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As the President of the Organizing Committee of the Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference, I would like to welcome the delegates of the Holy Luthori Empire and the Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu to the Goldstein Intercontinental Hotel of Yishalem, Endild. May this conference spell a final and as near perfect as possible solution to the issues currently plaguing the original agreements of the Treaty of Poesy. I kindly request now that each nation/party name their official delegates to this conference as a formality, and then we may commence the discussion on the topics at hand. Thank you very much for your attention, and may this blistering August heat not upset the proceedings too much!

The official delegates of the Bismarckian National Resistance (BNR) of the Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu to the conference are myself, Danielle Frank, BNR National Party Chairman, and Peter V. Hatikvah, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu and BNR Leadership Committee Foreign Affairs Counsel.

Danielle Frank,
President of the Organizing Committee of the Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference,
Delegate to the Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference,
and BNR National Party Chairman
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby JuliaAJA » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:46 am

I shall be attending on behalf of the House of H.E.F. Yišsérles.

Signed,
Yakov Yišsérles IV
Chairman of the Royal Kafuri Company and of Yišsérles Inc.
Head of the House of H.E.F. Yišsérles

I shall be attending with the following colleagues: Dr. Saul Ben-Reuven, proposed Minister of Finance of Beiteynu and Yishelem; Colonel Dr. Aharon Cohen, proposed Minister of Infrastructure and Transport of Beiteynu and Yishelem; Rabbi Dr. Devorah Yetzek, proposed Minister of Health and Social Services of Beiteynu and Yishelem; Rabbi Dr. Moshe Ramunov, proposed Minister of Education and Culture of Beiteynu and Yishelem; and Dr. Abraham Ben-Akiva, proposed Minister of Science and Technology of Beiteynu and Yishelem.

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Dr. Devorah Bat-Malka
Proposed Head of Government of Beiteynu and Yishelem
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby 123abc123 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:05 am

The CZP will bring:
HRH Samuel of Beta Yiserles
Michel Stevens, Chairman of the CZP

We want to bring the following grevences to the Confrence:
*A Spot for the Jewish Royal Family
*More Independence on issues pertaining to foreign Affairs
*The Unification of Beiteynu (end of the separate reference of Yishelem)
*Allowing a name change
*Aid in returning Squibble to the Jewish people.
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby Xanathos » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:23 am

I, Marcus Rannigan, 9th Duke of Utagia and newly appointed foreign affairs minister of the Holy Luthori Empire shall represent His Royal Majesty, King Gustavus II of Yishelem & Beiteynu. Before this conference starts, we would like to remind all attendees of a few important points. Some of them might have been voiced before, but they are important and shall be repeated.

1) Any modification to the Treaty of Poesy requires the explicit support of the following: 2/3 of the Commonwealth's legislature, the Commonwealth head of state, the Commonwealth's head of government, 2/3 of Luthori's legislature, Luthori's head of state, Luthori's head of government and finally but most importantly, the explicit support and agreement of the Head of House Orange-Villayn, the rightful King-Emperor, King Gustavus II in this case.Neither I nor the CIL can be held responsible for the actions of the Luthorian Diet. Our proposal for a conference in the matter passed with only a slight majority and did not have the necessary 2/3 of support, therefore, it is not assured that even if we manage to come to an agreement, that agreement will be passed into law because of possible objections of the Imperial Diet.

2) This is to be the first and the last conference of its kind. The Treaty of Poesy shall not be a "living document", after this conference, unless there is a global catastrophy as outlined in the initial peace conference, the Treaty shall remain unaltered. This conference shall not call into question the divine right the Heads of House Orange-Villayn have to rule as monarchs of the Commonwealth of Yishelem & Beiteynu, furthermore the political union between the Commonwealth and the Empire shall not be lessened. Lastly and this is the most important point, we would like to remind all here that are present that the initial Treaty of Poesy was drafted after an extremely bloody and violent rebellion. Through joint efforts, the BNR and CIL managed to come to a mutually beneficial agreement known as the Treaty of Poesy. That Treaty remains the fundamental basis for peace in the region and none of its core principals shall be changed.

3) lastly, minor grievances by some parties in the Commonwealth can be addressed, that is the purpose of this conference. I know await for the enunciation of these grievances so that I may see what can be done.

His Grace Marcus Rannigan,
9th Duke of Utagia,
Lord Great Chamberlain,
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby Xanathos » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:38 am

In response to the comments made by the CZP (which we did not previously observe), we give the following answers:

-The IML has never recognized any other rightful claim by a royal house to the throne of the Commonwealth other than that of House Orange-Villayn. As they were informed of at the initial conference, the Jewish "kings" may use their own titles privately and as religious and spiritual leaders of their people but are not recognized by the government as such. A possible arrangement would be to recognize the Jewish "royal family" as spiritual and religious leaders of the Jewish people, who are based in the Commonwealth, although this would require the end of their usage of the title of "king" which would be in unlawful competition with His Royal Majesty, if the Jewish "royal" family is to be recognized by the government as religious and spiritual leaders. We would also like to remind the attendees of this conference that certain members of this family hold titles in the Commonwealth given to them by His Majesty, this includes we believe, the title of Duke of Fruskila. His Majesty joyfully permits a member of House Yisserles to retain that title.

-The Commonwealth and the Empire are bound together, as we ave previously said, that will not change. Furthermore, the Commonwealth must be a member of the Commonwealth Nations Alliance. This is extremely beneficial and shall not change either. The last item is the fact that the King's consent is necessary for the Commonwealth to engage in aggressive warfare. This is an important safeguard which shall not be altered.

-There shall be no end to the separate reference to Yishelem.

-A name change is a possibility but should be examined on a case by case basis.

-New Alduria is an integral part of the Empire and that shall not change. Jonah's island and Moses Bay are part of the Zardic Federated Territories, so the Zardic government should be contacted on that issue.
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby Xanathos » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:41 am

ADDENDUM

Following this comment by the CZP regarding the Commonwealth aiding the Empire in its struggle against the Sekowan terrorists:

What are the people of the Free Beiteynu Thinking? We should support our Sekowan brothers. They will free us from our opression.


We refuse to continue negotiations with the CZP. They are clearly a terrorist organization masquerading as a party that supports the dictatorship of Sekowo which has downed a plane filled with innocent Luthori and and Hulstrian civilians and that even now points its weapons of mass destruction at Hulstria and Luthori and explicitly says that they intend to destroy Luthorian cities. This is unacceptable.

Despite these turn of events, we are ready and willing to continue negotiations with the DSPB, BNR and CIP.
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby 123abc123 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:50 am

Such comments were insensitive and made out of ignorance pertaining to the Sekowoan-Luthori conflict. We wish to take back those comments and remain a part of the conference. We will do anything in order to remain a part of the negotiations.
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby Xanathos » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:58 am

Lies, this betrays the true sentiment of at least a significant part of the CZP.

However, His Majesty is infinitely gracious and will allow the CZP to remain at the conference if it agrees that the CIL's answers to the CZP's requests shall form the basis of the conference. Furthermore, the CZP shall immediately change its vote on the "Support the Empire Resolution" and the persons responsible for the CZP's comments on that bill shall be fired. This is the CZP's last chance.

His Royal Majesty would like to express his gratitude to the other loyal parties of the Commonwealth for their support towards the Empire.
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby 123abc123 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:11 pm

Such has been done. And we are happy to continue to negotiate under the ideas put on the table my the Luthoris.
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Re: Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference

Postby Bismarkey7 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:23 pm

Xanathos wrote:In response to the comments made by the CZP (which we did not previously observe), we give the following answers:

-The IML has never recognized any other rightful claim by a royal house to the throne of the Commonwealth other than that of House Orange-Villayn. As they were informed of at the initial conference, the Jewish "kings" may use their own titles privately and as religious and spiritual leaders of their people but are not recognized by the government as such. A possible arrangement would be to recognize the Jewish "royal family" as spiritual and religious leaders of the Jewish people, who are based in the Commonwealth, although this would require the end of their usage of the title of "king" which would be in unlawful competition with His Royal Majesty, if the Jewish "royal" family is to be recognized by the government as religious and spiritual leaders. We would also like to remind the attendees of this conference that certain members of this family hold titles in the Commonwealth given to them by His Majesty, this includes we believe, the title of Duke of Fruskila. His Majesty joyfully permits a member of House Yisserles to retain that title.

-The Commonwealth and the Empire are bound together, as we ave previously said, that will not change. Furthermore, the Commonwealth must be a member of the Commonwealth Nations Alliance. This is extremely beneficial and shall not change either. The last item is the fact that the King's consent is necessary for the Commonwealth to engage in aggressive warfare. This is an important safeguard which shall not be altered.

-There shall be no end to the separate reference to Yishelem.

-A name change is a possibility but should be examined on a case by case basis.

-New Alduria is an integral part of the Empire and that shall not change. Jonah's island and Moses Bay are part of the Zardic Federated Territories, so the Zardic government should be contacted on that issue.


The BNR recognizes the House of Orange-Villayn as the only true claimant to the throne of Yishelem and Beiteynu; aside from that, we leave the negotiations about titles of nobility, the Jewish "kings", etc. to the CZP and DSPB, as our knowledge is lacking in the matter and we do not wish to breach such a, in our view, unnecessarily divisive issue. Our only suggestion on the matter is that the DSPB and CZP should graciously accept their titles of nobility as granted by His Majesty, and, to avoid confusion, they should here and now list all official titles of nobility of the Commonwealth and parcel them out to the interested and qualified parties.

We continue our support of the Commonwealth Nations Alliance. We believe it is beneficial to the Commonwealth militarily and economically. Our successfully-avoided potential run-in with the warmongers of the former "government" of Barmenistan (now thankfully restored to its true form as the Caliphate) is proof enough of the treaty's effectiveness, and never has the BNR even heard of people wanting to leave it.

Even those that despise the existence of Yishelem cannot deny that it does and has existed for enough time that it is a legitimate legal subdivision of our nation. Although Yishelem is legally just the State of Endild, it is culturally and linguistically more Luthorian than the rest of the Commonwealth, and so it makes sense to have its own name to distinguish it from Beiteynu, which is legally the States of Fruskila, Padrilka, Tadraki, and Quo'gün. In other words, our nation is no longer just Beiteynu, but Beiteynu and Yishelem. (OOC: Sort of like in Belgium, which has the French-speaking Walloon region, and the Dutch-speaking Flanders region.)

On that point, we arrive at the issue of a name change. As far as the "Commonwealth" part goes, the BNR is a staunch supporter of it, as evidenced by the fact that at the Beiteynu-Luthori Peace Conference that birthed the Treaty of Poesy, the BNR's delegates were the ones who suggested the "Commonwealth" name. However, we would consider supporting a different name so long as it is not outright "Colony" or "Territory," as legally we are a not a colony or a territory, but a commonwealth, although we think "Commonwealth" is fine and changing it is unnecessary. The word "Commonwealth" has become an acceptable and widely-used term to refer to the Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu as a whole, and it would ridiculous to change something that has already been ingrained in the public psyche for no practical reason. What we would support would be changing the order of "Yishelem and Beiteynu" to "Beiteynu and Yishelem". We blame ourselves, as the BNR should have realized this at the very beginning, at the Beiteynu-Luthori Peace Conference. "Beiteynu and Yishelem" makes more sense than "Yishelem and Beiteynu" for three, in our opinion, very good reasons: Beiteynu is alphabetically before Yishelem; Beiteynu existed before Yishelem and was used as the name of our nation for much, much longer than Yishelem (although, as was stated earlier, Yishelem is still just as important and is a legitimate and recognized legal subdivision); and Beiteynu is larger than Yishelem in population and area. As far as the "United Malkut" name goes, since we cannot legally have such a system, we believe the point is moot.

The BNR recognizes New Alduria as an integral part of the Holy Luthori Empire, and recognizes Jonah's Island and Moses Bay as part of the Zardic Federated Territories. Again, as with the titles of nobility of the Commonwealth, we leave this part of the negotiations to the DSPB and CZP out of lack of knowledge and interest.

The BNR Delegation:
- Danielle Frank,
President of the Organizing Committee of the Treaty of Poesy Renegotiation Conference
and BNR National Party Chairman

- Peter V. Hatikvah,
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu
and BNR Leadership Committee Foreign Affairs Counsel
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