2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Farsun » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:35 am

((OOC: Also, I'd like to have everyone take a look at these 4 current political parties in the Artanian Union and decide where their national party would align themselves with, if you wish to create a new Artanian political party please let me know but I believe these represent a pretty broad section of political ideologies.

http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Artani ... _Democrats
http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Party_ ... _Socialist
http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Allian ... _Movements
http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Artanian_Left_Alliance

Thanks!))
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Victus » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:35 pm

We respectfully vote NO on Resolution 4 and Resolution 5. Despite our ties to Dundorf we are still an autonomous nation that has a viable government that represents its people. We see no reason to punish Dundorf.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby MichaelReilly » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:28 pm

The Imperial Commonwealth votes yes on both resolutions proposed by the representatives from Rutania.

Dundorf has commited serious breaches of the Artanian charter during their imperialistic, expansionist acquisitions of sovereign nations, and therefore cannot remain members of this organisation.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Mdantas » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:09 pm

OOC: My party is aligned with the Artanian Federal Democrats I guess.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby RodeSnor » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:39 pm

Endralon votes yes.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Aquinas » Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:00 am

Ibutho requests high-level talks with Artanian Council representatives

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Dumisani Shabangu, Ibutho's Foreign Minister

Dumisani Shabangu, Ibutho's Foreign Minister and observer at this meeting, has asked for talks with the Artanian Council's President, Steve Foth. "After this summit has finished, my government would like to engage in talks with Artanian Council officials, with a view to lifting the current suspension of Ibutho's membership," he said.

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OOC: If Ibutho rejoins the AC, my party would probably be most likely to affiliate with the Alliance of Artanian Nationalists.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Farsun » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:26 pm

President Foth received the information regarding the the Ibutho request for meetings with the Artanian Union representatives and as he had already stated following the vote that he would be going there to meet with them involving recognition of the Ibutho regime and permitting them re-entry into the Artanian Union. Foth had now wanted to introduce something which had already existed and that was the Artanian Economic Council's proposal of a Artanian Economic Area, something that despite his own personal feelings he wanted to see what the rest of the ACR thought. "Many members here are part of the Artanian Economic Council, the AEC has proposed the development of the Artanian Economic Area which will permit free trade and economic prosperity for everyone in the region. I understand that you may have some doubts but we ensure that nations will be able to retain their sovereignty and ensure that they will be able to keep their economic policies in place."

((OOC: Continue to vote on the resolution, which seems will pass, we are going to continue forward with aligning people to parties within the Artanian Union.

Elections for AC representatives will be done according to party alignment. For example, in Dorvik the Democratic Party is a member of the Artanian Federal Democrats and the Social Nationalist are a member of the Alliance of Artanian Nationalist Movements, the Democratic Party earned 60% of the national vote, earning 6 seats for the AFD of the Dorvish 10 and the Social Nationalist earned 30% of the national vote meaning they earned 3 seats for the AANM giving a total of 9. The liberal party hasn't affiliated yet and the remaining seat would be considered an independent. It's fair and gives reality to political parties in the AU.

I'll put people where I think they belong according to information available if anyone wants to change lemme know but still please let me know!))
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Farsun » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:03 am

((OOC: Also, Zanz and I were discussing this.

We are in-fact going with a European Union-model of things, I think that is apparently obvious not that I am a fan of Supranational unions personally but I think we could absolutely have some fun with it here in Artania. More and more I realize that I sound like that guy trying to make a carbon copy of Europe in Artania and that is absolutely not the case just the information regarding the EU is much more abundant and the model is the most up to date which we have in political science.

What we were discussing is the fact that we have Artanian political parties, these political parties are comprised of members from member states of the AU. With this, the Artanian Council of Representatives would be transformed into somewhat of a legislature without actually having any binding authority. We currently have 6 political parties/political groups they are: Artanian Federal Democrats (Centrist, Artanian integration), Party of Artanian Democratic Socialist (Social democracy), Alliance of Artanian Nationalist Movements (Nationalist, National conservatives), Artanian Left Alliance (Socialist and communist), Artanian of Democracy and Freed (Liberalism) and the League of Artanian Conservatives (Conservatives)

These groups all have "elected" heads, meaning that in-game they are led by members of state parties who represent them in the Artanian Council of Representatives. As the system stands right now it is 1 nation, 1 vote. With the introduction of a new system pending the agreement obviously of the majority of the member states, what we would like to do is introduce the political party system a bit more.

What we mean by that is that each party is assigned seats to an Artanian political party pending upon how they do in their national elections. The new system would assign bloc leaders the ability to vote for their bloc. Meaning for instance if we had 5 members in the Alliance of Artanian Nationalist Movements and there were two regularly RPing and active members the bloc leader would have the right to vote for the other 4 members including themselves, obviously the other party that is active has the right to vote how they wish with their seats but permits blocs to actually have sway. Naturally we are going to have parties that as many of us know just outright dont pay attention to the forums but this could be a great way to introduce them with some political intrigue as well as let them participate in something outside of national politics.

I really hope this idea garners support because we have an excellent region and have a lot of potential to do some really awesome things. I really hope that people go for this idea and if you have any suggestion please let me know!))
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Zanz » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:47 am

OOC: At the risk of taking this thread too far off topic, I think an example of what Farsun suggested we're interested in above is in order. I'll offer a fake resolution and the voting mechanism we're talking about, giving examples of how it'd work in the contingencies.

Political Groups (leader in bold):
Artanian Left Alliance: CPK (4 votes), ACAHAFP (2 votes).
Alliance of Artanian Nationalist Movements: DSNP (3 votes), NA (10 votes), NDHF (10 votes), NP (3 votes).
Party of Artanian Democratic Socialist: UPP (3 votes), EP (2 votes), CA (10 votes).

Resolution 1: The Artanian Union would declare Artania superior to Majatra.

Artanian Left Alliance:
CPK: "I firmly vote nay. My history in Majatra is too strong, <3 Solentia, Wantuni, Jelbania, Beiteynu, etc., etc., and as leader of the ALA will cast the ALA's votes 'nay,' unless a specific member should vote otherwise individually." 4 nay.
ACAHAFP: Inactive and casts no vote individually. Vote is cast as ordered by bloc-leader CPK, 'nay'. 2 nay.

Alliance of Artanian Nationalist Movements:
DSNP: "Naturally the Europe of Terra is superior to the Middle East of Terra, it is the white man's burden to civilize the world. Dorvik is so cultured. 'Aye,' and my bloc shall cast their votes 'aye' if they do not vote themselves. 3 aye.
NA: "The Ibutho reject the witchcraft that powers these voting machines. 'Abstain.'" 10 abstain.
NDHF: "There is such a thing as Majatra? Naturally we must be better, Hobrazi is the center of the world. 'Aye.'" 10 aye.
NP: Inactive and casts no vote individually. Vote is cast as ordered by bloc-leader DSNP, 'aye.' 3 aye.

Party of Artanian Democratic Socialist:
UPP: "GANNAE AH WANKER SPITTLE. IMMA SCOTS YA RACIST. TAE HELL WI' YEH. HANGOVER. 'AYE' AND ME PAR' VOT' W' MEH." 3 aye. <3 ya Mike.
EP: "What the hell did he just say? 'Nay.' Can we elect a new leader?" 2 nay.
CA: "'Nay,' thank you." 10 nay.

Vote count:
16 aye, 18 nay, 10 abstain. Motion fails.

I hope that this helped to make what we're suggesting a little more clear. One thing we do need to discuss is how bloc leaders are chosen. Farsun would like it to be the bloc's most active member, since they would be counted upon to vote when needed. I like this in theory, but in practice it may be hard to determine which player is most active (is Farsun or Aquinas more active in the Nationalist bloc?) and I think we need to figure out something official to codify.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Afrocentric » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:58 am

OOC: I feel that we are moving a bit too fast on this and that has always been the downfall of organizations in the game; doing too much too soon. I say wait awhile before proceeding with this just so we can accurately gage just how invested people really are with the AU.

Other than that, I don't mind the system you've guys created and I think it's a great addition to add some more depth.
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