2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Aquinas » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:41 pm

MichaelReilly wrote:
Aquinas wrote:Dumisani Shabangu, Ibutho Foreign Minister and head of the Ibutho delegation:

Our acting President shows himself to be worryingly lacking in awareness of the population demographics of my country, 93% of which is Ibutho. From where does he get this peculiar idea that the Ibutho people are a minority in this land? And from where does he get this even more peculiar idea that we are a "transported people"? Mr. Foth obviously knows next to nothing about Ibutho, and given this state of affairs, we must question whether he is suitable to be President of an organisation like this.


OOC: Can we put it another way then? The idea of a Zulu nation in the middle of Europe is ridiculous and we refuse to recognise it or play along. Sorry.


OOC: I think you need to understand that Artania is not Europe, and if you are expecting it to be then you will find yourself disappointed. There are plenty of other role-playing games based around Europe, but this isn't one of them. Ibutho is part of Artania, as per the game map and the game rules, and it would be appropriate for players to recognise her as such.

Again, this is a creative game where Terra is not the real world. There is no obligation on every Artanian nation to limit its roleplay to white Germanic cultures.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Aquinas » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:43 pm

Farsun wrote:"The delegates from Dundorf have refused to come seeing as Aloria was attending the meeting, thus they cannot speak as they are not here."


OOC: Err...I think they are, Farsun.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby MichaelReilly » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:30 pm

Aquinas wrote:
OOC: I think you need to understand that Artania is not Europe, and if you are expecting it to be then you will find yourself disappointed. There are plenty of other role-playing games based around Europe, but this isn't one of them. Ibutho is part of Artania, as per the game map and the game rules, and it would be appropriate for players to recognise her as such.

Again, this is a creative game where Terra is not the real world. There is no obligation on every Artanian nation to limit its roleplay to white Germanic cultures.


OOC: Within the game rules. But we're also perfectly within our rights to absolutely refuse to knowledge its existence. It's completely unrealistic.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Afrocentric » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:08 pm

OOC: Can we stop the OOC bitching and move along? It's kind of getting annoying.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Fred » Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:39 pm

The Holy Luthori Empire considers continued Zardic intrusion into Artania wholly unacceptable, and is committed to the removal of Zardic influence by any means necessary.
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby MichaelReilly » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:40 pm

Fred wrote:The Holy Luthori Empire considers continued Zardic intrusion into Artania wholly unacceptable, and is committed to the removal of Zardic influence by any means necessary.


The Imperial Commonwealth shares the concerns of our close ally and neighbour the Holy Luthori Empire surrounding the issue of Zardic interference in Artania.

However, we wish to see this gone about in a diplomatic and peaceful manner, avoiding violence and direct confrontation as much as is possible. The Artanian Union is after all an organisation that promotes peace and cooperation, not war.

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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby PaleRider » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:50 pm

Note from the Zardic Prime Minister,

While we do understand the consternation of a non-Artanian nation having a base in Artania lets take a broader look here. We too are scared of having non-Majatran nations having bases here in Majatra. One need only look to Kafuristan where Dorvik now has a base and is interfering in Majatran affairs. And given recent Zardic history, relatively speaking, we are very mindful of the Luthori colony in Vascania which is only a stone's throw away from Zardugal proper.
However we dont highlight such intrusions nor do we claim an absolute hegemony over how other, sovereign nations conduct their foreign affairs. We understand, unlike some members of this body that not everything needs an over-reaction. While we find a Dorvish base in Kafuristan annoying to say the least, we do not raise our voices in protest and senselessly clamour for war. When Dorvik conducts military drills off the Vascanian coast while our ire is raised we again stay quiet as we understand that to forcefully counter-act such moves would only inflame such a situation and the results would be good for no one.
Thus we ask this body, and its members who charge us with, among other things, supporting terrorism, colonization, and interfering in Artanian affairs, do look at your own actions. We seek neither territory or power in Artania. To quote my much maligned Foreign Minister "Its simply too damn cold to be worth the fight." We do have allies in Artania. Much like Artanain nations have non-Artanian allies and we will grow close with our friends and we will help them and stand with them through thick and thin because that is what allies do. So unless Artania will end her presence outside Artania do not expect Zardugal to end her presence outside Majatra.

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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Farsun » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:19 pm

"Representatives, I concur that the Zardic intrusion into Dundorf is worrisome and something that this body needs to address. I believe that Zardugal and Dundorf are well within their rights to agree to diplomatic agreements. That is something that we stress with the Artanian Union since it was founded, we are not an organization which removes the sovereignty from our member states. The Imperial Commonwealth, and the Holy Luthori Empire as well as Dorvik and I am sure Rutania all share in the fact that the increased hostilities were caused by the Zardic's. The Dorvish responded promptly to the Zardic diplomacy in Dundorf, the Dorvish are well within their right to defend themselves and defend their people. They are also well within their right to conduct war games, just as every other nation in the world is." The letter from the Zardic Foreign Minister had somewhat angered Foth prior to giving his speech. In effect, Zardic was legally able to do what they did but it doesn't mean that they have to like it. "As for a course of action? The Dundorfians have refused to come to this session seeing as the diplomatic row with Aloria, we hope they will attend the next session of this Council. I would like to ask the representatives if there is anything they would wish to propose either towards Dundorf or Zardugal? Perhaps sanctions or do we wish to respond, as a union, condemning the Zardics for the rise in tensions in the region?"

"Also, the meeting of the membership committee concluded that Ikradon be suspended from the Artanian Union, note this is a temporary suspension and I will be leading a delegation to Ikradon to discuss their government and association with the Artanian Union and Artanian states."
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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Afrocentric » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:03 am

Given the recent induction of Aloria into the Dundorfian Empire, we ask that Dundorf's membership be suspended and some form of economic sanctions be levied as well. Such a gross display of expansionism cannot be left unchecked by the AU.

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Re: 2nd session of the Artanian Council of Representatives

Postby Farsun » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:49 am

((OOC: Technically that falls outside of the dates of the conference, but seeing as it's an essential part of the whole situation, we'll use fluid time and include it in the scope of the council.))

"The representative from Rutania is proposing a resolution to suspend Dundorfian membership in the AU as well as levy sanctions against Dundorf. The motion will be placed to vote. The nations of Hobrazia, Endralon and Dundorf have abstained from the vote on the Kundrati Communist Party, therefore the vote has passed. The motion to suspend Dundorfian membership is being brought to the membership committee and the motion to levy sanctions is being brought independently."

Resolution 4 - Membership status of Dundorf
Brought forth by: Commonwealth of Rutania
Information: The Commonwealth of Rutania motions that the Greater Dundorfian Reich be suspended from the Artanian Union due to imperialist aggression towards the Imperial Republic of Aloria.
Nations eligible to vote: Dorvik, Rutania, the Imperial Commonwealth, the Holy Luthori Empire, Dundorf, Hobrazia, Endralon, Aloria
Yes - Dorvik, Rutania, the Imperial Commonwealth, Endralon
No - Aloria

Resolution 5 - Economic sanctions against Dundorf
Brought forth by: Commonwealth of Rutania
Information: The Commonwealth of Rutania motions that the Greater Dundorfian Reich receive economic sanctions against it due to violations regarding the sovereignty of another Artanian state, the Commissioner for Economic and Financial Affairs and the economic representatives from each state will decide the sanctions.
Nations eligible to vote: Dorvik, Rutania, the Imperial Commonwealth, the Holy Luthori Empire, Dundorf, Hobrazia, Endralon, Aloria
Special notes: Voting rights of Dundorf suspended pending outcome of the Membership Committee vote.
Yes - Dorvik, Rutania, the Imperial Commonwealth, Endralon
No - Aloria
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