Conclave on the Future of Lodamunese Nationalism

[Lionking]

Percyism is the worship of an idol! It is a spit in the face to Hosianism!

- John Doefellerstein
Concerned Hosian

How dare you to;
One; interrupt this conference.
Two; claiming that our Prophet and Eternal President is merely an idol, without studying Percyism.
I ask the security to please remove this 'concerned and confused man' to the exit door.

[Siggon Kristov]

The Government of Valruzia is pleased to see that Hosianism is no longer being imposed on the people of Lodamun. However, it is with concern that we note the prospect of theistic doctrine being once again forced upon our neighbours. Whether this be the worship of a non-existent 'higher power' or the deification of a former president, such an approach can only lead to the fueling of existing tensions. We believe that a secular approach which respects the right of individuals to worship without imposing their religious beliefs on others is by far the preferable solution.

~ Adrian Castro, Foreign Secretary of Valruzia

OOC:

1) Lodamese Nationalism isn't theistic.
2) Percysim, a branch of Lodamese Nationalism, isn't about the worship of Henry Percy.

Please do not participate in this thread if you are not a Lodamese player, especially if you don't know anything about what is going on in Lodamun.

[Lionking]

OOC: Percyism is about worshiping the State with the guidance of a Prophet. The reward of being obedience to the state is the chance to live in the 'Eternal Lodamese State' governed by Percy (You can compare it to some sort of 'Heaven' ). A human has 3 chances -rebirths- to be total obedient to the state and to follow the guidelines of Henry Percy; Gross National Happiness - Culture - Civil Liberties and of course be obedient and always strive for those values.

[M13]

If we made a classification:
Level 1, the highest level, is the State ideology, being Lodamese Nationalism, where the State and its Citizens are central. This ideology is compulsary.
Level 2 is religion, which would be free to choose. The religion should be in compliance with the restrictions imposed by the State ideology. Which means that one would be able to worship a God, but that God would never become more important than the Lodamese National Feeling.

Obviously, we should reconsider what religions are a potential danger to Nationalism. We should also study these religions and maybe alter some minor aspects of it so that it would be in compliance with the State ideology.
What should be done with the nominations of Nationalism? We consider them part of the ideology? Or do we consider them a next level classification, making them religions?

Guga Heirman
LNC candidate for Culture

[Lionking]

This is a very interesting suggestion proposed by Guga Heirman. We think that Lodamese Nationalism should remain the state religion but beneath that there should be freedom of religion, who are in compliance with the state, and expression. Since we have indeed three different branches of Lodamese Nationalism we think that these branches should be considered as second level together with the other religions, who are in compliance with the state.

However, we would like to prefer that Percyism would be the official state religion, since it's the closest form of Lodamese Nationalism that we are trying to build to tolerate other religions, who are in compliance with the state, in Lodamun.

Hannes Percy
Chairman NAP-EL
Chariman of the Percyist movement

[M13]

Mister Percy,

we have no problem with Percyism, but since it's a nomination within Nationalism, we believe making Percyism the national religion would be unfair to Fertigism and Karavism. If we make Nationalism the ideology, anyone can choose a religion on the second level, whether it'ld be a nomination or another tolerated religion.
The reason we are having this conclave is because we have had way to much issues concerning State religion in the past. Everyone has a different idea about it, and we are trying to get that problem out of the way.
No matter who is in charge, the ideology should remain and the State religion cannot change, so we propose to abolish State religion and allow a spectrum of religions that meets the needs of all inflicted. The party or parties in control should first obey Nationalist ideology and thus should respect all the other religions tolerated within our borders.

Guga Heirman

[M13]

One of the issues is Hosianism. We can not possibly allow Hosianism in our nation, but maybe we can create a religion, based on Hosianism, that meets up with both believers and Nationalists. Monotheism always has been an issue in Lodamun. We should discuss the possibilities on this matter aswell.

Joris Vonkers
LNC chairman

[redoct]

The Government of Valruzia is pleased to see that Hosianism is no longer being imposed on the people of Lodamun. However, it is with concern that we note the prospect of theistic doctrine being once again forced upon our neighbours. Whether this be the worship of a non-existent 'higher power' or the deification of a former president, such an approach can only lead to the fueling of existing tensions. We believe that a secular approach which respects the right of individuals to worship without imposing their religious beliefs on others is by far the preferable solution.

~ Adrian Castro, Foreign Secretary of Valruzia

OOC:

1) Lodamese Nationalism isn't theistic.
2) Percysim, a branch of Lodamese Nationalism, isn't about the worship of Henry Percy.

Please do not participate in this thread if you are not a Lodamese player, especially if you don't know anything about what is going on in Lodamun.

OOC: Siggon - this isn't the first time you've told me not to comment on Lodamese politics. Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shit - there is no international agreement between our two countries and as religion is of significant interest to me in RP terms I will continue to do so.

And as for 'not knowing anything about what is going on in Lodamun' - I'm free to RP my interpretation of Lodamese Nationalism & Percyism however I damn well please. I couldn't care less if you want to be holier than thou about it, but know this much - I'm not going to shut up about affairs in a neighboring country simply because one player would prefer if I didn't do so. Deal with it.

[M13]

OOC: @Redoct:
the initial meaning was to get an agreement about religion and Nationalism among members of Lodamun. If you have some interesting suggestions, we'ld be happy to hear them, but thing is that we strive to get along in Lodamun. This is in fact a national conclave. True, maybe we should have done it in Presidium.

[Lionking]

One of the issues is Hosianism. We can not possibly allow Hosianism in our nation, but maybe we can create a religion, based on Hosianism, that meets up with both believers and Nationalists. Monotheism always has been an issue in Lodamun. We should discuss the possibilities on this matter aswell.

Joris Vonkers
LNC chairman

The problem with Hosianism is that they are mostly foreign controlled and that in certain forms of Hosianism bishops and or priests are ordained by a foreign Church. We have nothing against Hosianism itself, yet we do think that it should be controlled by the Lodamese state to expel it's foreign influences. Making Nationalism and Hosianism compatible is a challenging task, maybe even impossible. If we would try to add Lodamese Nationalist values in to Hosianism that would be much more easier to accomplish. Making a new religion is not an option because from what divine power comes that -newly to be created- religion?

Hannes Percy
Chairman NAP-EL
Chairman Percyist movement