Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby Egmo » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:18 pm

Mr. Chairman, I absolutely agree we should suspend all bills regarding this topic for the duration of this conference. Naturally, as my party is not in power anymore, I want to leave it to the governing Confederate Party to propose any cabinet they think is appropriate and then our party can vote on their choices.
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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby n30n » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:45 pm

Good day gentlemen,
I apologize for being late, got caught up in an awful storm on the way here. My party will cooperate fully with what has been established so far, we will not propose any legislation involving states' rights for the duration of this meeting. As a relatively large party, I would like to give my input on issues that arise during the talks but agree with the sentiment so far. Hopefully we can reach an agreement and return to our jobs soon enough.

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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby Lougrashes » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:58 pm

Gentlemen, welcome the delegation from the green Party of Beluzia.

At the end of todays meeting let me ask directly to the confederate Party:

1. Will you as long as this meeting lasts abstain from proposing controversial bills about states rights in the beluzian Parliament?
2. Will you, MR. President, propose for the time being a all-party-cabinet?

I would like to officially announce the begin of these talks, but we have to wait until we are all agreed on these minimum terms.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby TheCollectivist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:33 pm

Mr. Chairman, you have no business or right to request the suspension of the democratic process in Beluzia, one of which is bringing forward bills essential to the country. We, the Confederates, will not agree to suspending the creation of "controversial" bills in order for feelings not to be hurt during these talks. Furthermore, we cannot agree to any cabinet containing the Socialist Party of Beluzia and or the Democratic Labour Party, we are in permanent opposition. The other parties are welcome to bring forward cabinet proposals containing any part except the SP or DLP - we do not even request positions in the proposal. Our party sees the government cabinet as irrelevant and as such does not value holding positions on it.

We have already suspended the operations of our militia for the duration of these talks, but our patience is not infinite, and we do not like taking requests from a foreign influence. Here are our demands for the preservation of peace:
1. The Confederate Militia be preserved as a political organization, with no paramilitary forces whatsoever; the group shall be able to conduct lawful political demonstrations.
2. The Confederate Militia hands over all military equipment and weapons to its individual members to own on a private basis.
3. The Confederate Militia be permitted to conduct peaceful euthanasia (voluntary of course) and abortion (free of charge) to any Beluzian citizen in states where the majority support such actions.
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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby Lougrashes » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:33 pm

Gentlemen: I am sorry for the irritations which seem to arise from our proposal to stop - just for the time being - controversial bills in Beluzia. Most parties are willing to compromise in this matter. Compromise is essencial for a peacefull solution.

Our idea was to talk about visions and not about demands. But as long as we do not agree on the way these talks are held, I see no possibility to begin with the essencial problems.

On the other hand I welcome the fact that the confederate party is willing to abandon the paramilitary organisation for a political one. Is it acceptable for the government and majority of the parliament to accept that the weapons of the militia are privately owned by its Members?

To solve the problem of a working government we propose to alter the constitution. Would it be acceptable for the parties to separate the offices of head of state and head of government? In the normal democratic process it is not necessary that both offices have to come from the same party.

Gentlemen: I am very aware of the fact that these talks are difficult. All Parties have accepted our offer to mediate. As Mediator we must have the possibility to make proposals. The decision ofcourse lies in the hands of the parties involved. The confederate Party declares that it is not our business to make proposals to all parties. I I understand you correctly, you are not willing to work together with the DLP and socialist party. But all parties involved play an essencial role in Beluzia. We can not hold these talks by ignoring or disregarding one of the involved parties. Our Proposal was meant as a proposal for a temporary government of national reconciliation or at least for a compromise working government body for as long as these talks last. I hope I understand correctly that all parties involved wish a long lasting peacefull solution. So everyone has to make steps to help to bring success.

If we can not reach temporary arrangements before we start the essencial talks, I fear that we will every time a bill is proposed have to talk about urgent maters, and this may prolong the talks. But if we do not reach an agreement I am willing to go forward without a temporary arrangement.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby Egmo » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:28 pm

Mr. Chairman, as long as the weapons are handed over to members who are qualified to posses guns in accordance with federal law, out party will not protest.

We still stand by what the Chairman has proposed: a temporary suspension of bills relating to states' rights. It is necessary for these talks to conclude before we can continue to work in harmony: even though we will possibly always remain fierce political opponents.

However, Mr. Chairman, we will continue to protest the first and final points proposed by the Confederates. We want the militia to be disbanded completely, as we feel that only the party is necessary to conduct peaceful demonstrations - not the militia, and we do not want the militia conducting illegal abortions. They should only be done in accordance with federal law and done by qualified doctors outside of the militia.
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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby Lougrashes » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:33 pm

Gentlemen: After what has been acomplished so far we believe that it is too early to make a public statement, although we hoped to reach this point soon. Because the problems to find even a temporary solution have not yet vanished, we can as well begin with substancial talks.

So let me ask a first question: What exactly is the problem with Euthanasia here? Ofcourse Euthanasia can only be performed by doctors, I hope we are all of the same opinion here. And I hope also we believe in the necessary consent of the patient. Why does the parliament majority stress the point that the doctors who perform Euthanasia are also members of the Militia or the party organisation? Can we perhaps reach an agreement that Euthanasia is only performed with consent by approbed doctors and according to common law?

I would like to hear the parties about this point.

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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby n30n » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:26 am

Hello gentlemen,

I would like to say, my party has no problem with euthanasia and abortion, and will allow for the confederates to continue performing these services for the people. This is assuming that the ONLY people performing these actions are qualified doctors. This is an if, and only if statement. The militia has no right to perform these things unless those performing them are doctors. If the confederates agree to this, I will seek to push legislation through that allows for the party to guarantee these rights.
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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby TheCollectivist » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:15 pm

We would never endanger the lives of the local population with unqualified doctors performing euthanasia, and especially abortion. All of our doctors work outside the militia as well and serve voluntarily, all of them are certified doctors and many work in government-run clinics and hospitals. We uphold very strict quality performance standards, the procedures of abortion and euthanasia are done in the same manner as the professional field and in many cases exceed the quality of the government services. Some people may imagine our doctors as camouflaged guerrilla fighters coming out of the forest to offer random people on the street abortion and euthanasia, but that is simply not the case. All of our cases in which our doctors have performed euthanasia and abortion have been done in controlled sterile indoor settings - a significant portion done in hospitals themselves due to the widespread acceptance of these practices by local governments.
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Re: Peace talks for Beluzia held in Merenbürg (Darnussia)

Postby Lougrashes » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:59 pm

Dear Gentlemen, can we assume then that the problem of Euthanasia and abortion can be solved, because qualified doctors perform these services in qualified institutions. I would propose to set aside their membership in the Militia.

Gentlemen: Let me make some general remarks about the conflict. We are all of the opinion that Beluzia as one country shall be preserved. Many people seem to be of the opinion that Bailon alone can not economically survive, although our country does not specifically entertain this opinion. But when Beluzia is preserved, then we have to find a working process of political decisions. Respect for the will of the people should be the key factor. All parties involved are elected, the confederate party is the biggest party at the moment. Wighout consent of at least some other parties it is not possible for her to reign the country. Every bill proposed by the confederate party must be approved by a majority of the parliament. This can only happen with compromise, and I am sure everyone knows this. Therefore maximum demands are not helpfull in this situation. If we can reach an arrangement concerning Abortion and Euthanasia, I am sure in other fields we can reach an agreement as well. Perhaps you remember me asking about the possibility of separating the offices of head of state and head of government? When a head of State is chosen without a majority in parliament, he or she can not perform their duties practically. But if the head of government is chosen by the majority this would be different.

We have to find solutions together, which preserve Beluzia as a country, and which makes it possible for the will of the people to be fullfilled. This can not be done by force. Which brings me to the point that in a truely democratic nation an armed militia is only necessary as long as the will of the people is ignored. From our point of view it seems that elections are free and fair, and if the people wishes to be governed by the confederate party they will vote accordingly.

We praise the willingness of all parties to reach an agreement. The confederate party has suspended all operations as paramilitary organisation. If we can reach an agreement concerning abortion and euthanasia, would the confederate Party consider to disband the paramilitary organisation? A party is fully aualified to carry out political demonstrations and protests.

I would like to hear the parties Opinions on this considerations.
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