OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

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OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby Doc » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:18 am

This conference is open to all who wish to attend and supply their opinions on the matter. Obviously Kalistan would prefer those who have some experience with designing National militaries, as well as RPing Military conflicts.

My goals with this conference is
1) to begin to determine what would be reasonable for a state like Kalistan to possess in the way of military equipment based on several factors, among them are: Kalistan's diplomatic position in the world (as proxied by my own RPing), 2) Kalistan's economic capacity and fungability, 3) Kalistan's needs (being a predominantly maritime/commercial state) and 4) Kalistan's special relationship to Party Militias, the one currently in existence being the RSMoK, belonging to the Socialist Party, which is primarily light mobile infantry supported by artillery at need on land, and Light Armored, Fast Attack ships at sea, that are more or less speed boats with a two machine guns and some light.
2) To begin Partnering with weapons manufacturers in the world to acquire the hardware to meet Kalistan's needs in both land and sea units.
3) To begin partnering with weapons manufacturers to begin producing weapons of Kalistan's own, both to supply and aggrandize our own military, but also to sell them openly to other nations. We already theoretically produce small arms and knock off Kalashnikovs, towed howitzers and LAFA craft for the navy in our Nationalized Defense industries, but our production has gone almost exclusively into maintaining our own equipment. We would like to get into producing self propelled Artillery and perhaps light tanks, as well as more heavily armored ships for naval use and sale.

I will begin with some general notions:

I see Kalistan as a fairly active diplomatic force which should possess some projection capacity both on land and at sea. Kalistan plays a regional power which sits at the strategic cross roads between Dovani, Keris and Selaya and anything that comes through the Anantanese Ocean passes Kalistan. So naturally, our local presence should be rather significant, even though we do not maintain fleets on any other body of water

The land forces that I have RPed in almost all conflicts within Kalistan have been Light infantry/ Assault forces, which can remain in the field indefinitely, but do not do well at holding territory. These irregulars are supported by artillery units and truck mounted heavy rifles. They also come with a small commando force, which blows stuff up pretty well, and engages in other forms of sabotage and demolition. During the Pirate Episode in Kalistan, I also employed fishing vessels with outboard motors and mpunted 50 cal automatic rifles, for the purpose of harassing shipping at sea. Crews would take the speed boats out, board and commandeer a ship and then run it aground. These units are the SP's militia. And they have been activated for hundreds of years, to the point where they are better trained at their jobs than the Regulars. But the militia is the militia- they are part timers... The boats became our prototype for the LAFA craft which served as the primary vessel of the Auxiliary Navy. In terms of Airforce, the Militia has none- if we ever need a ride somewhere, we usually take civilian air. Intel wise, the militia cultivated sophisticated propaganda, interrogation, espionage, and black ops capabilities- the KRSB is essentially the Militia's S-2 brought into Republican Service

The Kalistani Regular Service, however, has not been RPed for a very long time. I have always been happier with what I could do with the militia, than I would have been had I coordinated a Regular force. I am sure Pentalarc did some work on this and I would have to find it. But whatever it is, it is assumed that we are maintaining it at current levels, for hundreds of years. We are a neutral country, and have never had to use it for anything, but I assume they have been just repairing what they had and maintaining their training levels. I have RPed that we have a navy, but I don't have a clue what that looks like either. Same with National Airforce. I would assume that a maritime nation would have strike and close support craft available to it, but I am sure more focus would be on the navy and ground forces than the airforce anyway.

Based on that information, and knowing that Kalistan wants the capacity to assist friends around the world for short periods of time without incurring a major commitment from the Government or people of Kalistan, how do the experienced individuals propose I go about structuring the military of Kalistan to conform with both what we would have if we were a real country the size and GDP of Kalistan, and which takes into account both our strategic position as well as our preferred military doctrine?

Floor is open.
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Re: OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby Doc » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:55 am

Lets begin with Cuba as an template for the Kalistani Regular Forces
Approximately 45000 men and women under army

1 HQ Brigade, stationed outside of Kaliburg
2 Bn Airborne
1 Artillery Div
1 SAM Regiment

Army South (Suldanor)
1 Training Division
1 Mechanized Infantry Div
1 Armored Div
3 Infantry Divs

Army Central (Neveras and Odufaray)
7 Infantry Divisions
1 Reinforced Armored Division
1 Reinforced Infantry Division

Army North (Vrassa and Ananto)
3 Armored Divisions
2 Mechanized Infantry Divs
14 Infantry Divisions
2 Reinforced Infantry Divisions

Armored Divisions would consist primarily of light and medium Tanks
Mechanized Infantry would consist primarily of Armored recon, weaponized Troop carriers, and Fighting vehicals
All infantry divisions have mortars and an Artillery battalion attached
Each Army has a regiment of SAM's attached

Kalistani AirForce
Would consist primarily of 12 fixed wing jets and 20 helos, mostly used for aerial reconnaissance, mechanized Infantry operations and close air support. Most other planes are requisitioned and refitted civilian air, which would form an auxiliary for the purposes of transport and recon.
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Re: OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby colonelvesica » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:45 pm

Sorry I've been away from this

I definitely like the initial look at it.

I assume your reconstructing your Navy from scratch?
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Re: OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby Doc » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:10 am

colonelvesica wrote:Sorry I've been away from this

I definitely like the initial look at it.

I assume your reconstructing your Navy from scratch?


We will be reconstructing our navy from scratch, yes... I will be looking at something about the size and constitution of Cuba, but am willing to go outside this, because Cuba's navy is thought of as being somewhat small.

Mostly surface ships, primarily fast boats, but enough capital ships to be a preeminent force in the Anantanese Ocean, a few subs, no nuclear vessels, and a light aircraft carrier that Hutori has suggested selling us to allow us a bit of projection in a support role.

With regard to airforce, we will need enough to easily maintain control over the skies and adequately patrol the Anantanese Ocean, as well as a contingent for the LCV. I would want to focus on close support, as well as intercept planes...

I suppose we will be needing to cast about for either prototypes or actual capital ships, though the fast boats are easy to put together locally.
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Re: OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby colonelvesica » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:25 am

By definition in modern Naval warfare the only thing that we could considered "capital ships" would be Aircraft Carriers... but that being said I do have a few thoughts about Kalistan. Your nation reminds me a lot of nation an old friend of mine created in another game. Without giving away too much, his Navy wasn't large, had limited power projection capabilities but was mostly concerned with regional power projection and coastal defence. His Navy was built around a moderate size Frigate fleet while his "power projection" was centred around one or two Carrier Battle Groups. He didn't use advanced Aircraft Carriers either, he used old Kitty Hawk class Aircraft Carriers that simply had been modernized. We can use a similar concept with the Kenai class Aircraft Carrier Hutori can sell you. We could jointly work on to modernize it and bring it up to standards and the needs of Kalistan itself. His main carrier strike group was also built around a duo of Battleships and Battlecruisers, that were actually hyper modernized Iowa and Alaska class respectively... and for the record those are from the 1950s and 1920s respectively... so he didn't need or use the most advanced equipment, he just took what was already in existence from other nations, bought them and modernized the crap out of them... the point being (seeing as I've droned on for long enough :P ) that you don't even really need NEW NEW, aside from your Frigates/Destroyers/Corvettes while you could shop around the naval yards of other nations and get great deals on older ship classes and such and simply chose to modernize them.... just food for thought

As for the Air Force, same concept as before, you don't necessarly need new F-22 or F-35s, you can find older Aircraft, generally for a lot cheaper and put effort into modernizing them. As an example my friend used hyper modern F-15s even as his neighbors fielded F-22s, F-23s and F-35s, Su-35U and MiG 1.44s
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Re: OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby Doc » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:22 pm

Agreed on all points:

1) When I think of Capital Ships I think of Destroyers up, including Battleships, Frigates/Corvettes, Carriers and so forth- those which have the capacity to mount and fire effective naval gunfire. As such, we are working with Hutori to procure the Kenai carriers, and would likely build the limited projection capabilities around them- any ships that accompany the CVs would be for the defense of the Carrier. As for Battleships, I think that might be too much for Kalistan. Frigates would be the highest we would go, and then those would be armed with rocket artillery at most, as well as as much as 75mm guns, and they would mostly serve as escorts in a projection force, or our ships of the line at home. We would devote destroyers to sub detection and intervention, and they would serve as frigate escorts at home. The vast majority of the navy would be comprised of the fast boats serving in interdiction duty/ Coast Guard, which have almost no projection ability. When I get together a reasonable scheme for the navy, I agree that the newest, or even newish ships would not be necessary. We have a naval ship yard at Kaliburg which I have used in the past which could serve to refit the vessels that we acquire from others. And since the navy has been more or less scrapped, we are sitting on some money.

2) In Re: Air Force, I will look at the Airforce of Brazil- They use several decent jets, and a lot of prop-planes, which I can totally see Kalistan using. We won't have many needs for fixed wing planes with the light carriers- VTOL jump jets and rotor wing helos will serve there. As for home duty, I agree: the super modern crafts are not actually necessary for Kalistan. Most of our threats are internal, and occur when Kalistan experiences an visit by some fascist power. But the Airforce will require some planning, as the Militia does not maintain air of any sort.

I will put together a list of Kalistan's needs on the sea and in the air and then will go shopping.
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Re: OOC/IC Summit on Kalistan Military Reconiliation

Postby Doc » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:38 am

Naval Organization of Kalistan (proposed)

Submarines- 6 in service, full diesel
4 Attack subs
2 Surveillance/Carrier Support Subs

Carriers- 2 in service, full diesel
1 Commissioned Light Carrier, Hutorian built Kenai-class Light Carrier, with compliment of 7 fixed wing VTOL or 12 rotor wing SeaKnight helos, recommissioned as the KRS-1 "Farsun"
1 additional light carrier

Amphibious Assault craft- 3 in service
Amphibious transport Docks

Destroyers- 4 in service
2 Air defense Destroyers
2 Anti-Submarine Destroyers
1 each assigned to carrier groups

Frigates- 13 in service
4 General Purpose Frigates
7 Anti-Submarine Frigates
2 Light Patrol Frigates

Cruisers- 8 in service
6 Light Cruisers, One currently commissioned KRS-2 "Jango", 5 additional being converted
2 Heavy Missile Cruisers

Corvettes- 5 in service

General Patrol/ Offshore Patrol- 10 in service

Coastal Patrol Ships- 5 in service

Other units
LAFA units- Developed in packs of 3, currently not less than 12 packs assigned to duty between Ananto and Mainland
Resupply vessels- 3 currently in service, commissioning 2 more
Electronic Surveillance ship- 1 in service
Landing Craft- 35 in service
Materiel and water transport ships- 10 in service
General Purpose transports- 5 in service
Other singular use vessels commissioned as needed
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Hizb Al'Sultan حزب السلطان 4543-4551
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