New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby sinister42 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:16 am

You may have that assurance from our government, but adding it to the language of the treaty would simply confuse matters.
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby RIS » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:20 am

Respectfully, what binds our nations to it if it is not ratified?
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby sinister42 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:59 am

Good faith.

Again, as we've stated before, we do not want to put any specific policy prescriptions in the treaty because changing governments and laws would only confuse matters. You'll just have to accept our assurances that, in exchange for the passage of this treaty, we will not fully nationalize any Hutori assets in New Endralon.
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby RIS » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:55 am

I don't see how changing laws would affect matters. This would merely provide for a certain contingency if it never comes to pass then it is never enacted. If it does then we have a provision for it. However, if you feel that the changes would make this deal untenable then we would be willing to accept the deal as is under the provision that our companies are reinstated in New Endralon.
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby sinister42 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:42 am

Then we have a deal. Would you like to create the treaty, since we created the last one?
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby Autokrator15 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:20 pm

Pardon represenatives, I, Mikael Hunyadi, representative of the NEPP, was invited here by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and we wish to go over the agreement and make sure its not too socialist in nature. We have some comments on what has been said.

sinister42 wrote:Quotas of products made and sold in New Endralon, mainly. This is a tariffs free deal, not a quota free deal.

In a planned economy, the unregulated importation of foreign goods is an unacceptable complication.


Thats the problem, we dont import that much. Kuthohaderia is filled with resources whilest Zyldavia and Endrafold rely on the services of the business and financial side of the exports and managing the economy the Kizenian provinces focus on the production of goods which is the main focus of our economy.

RIS wrote:I see and how would that affect New Endralon's imports into Hutori and vice versa? We rely upon your country for a good number of industrial goods and your country relies upon ours for capital, technology and certain foodstuffs. Restricting trade at least in certain areas could damage both of our economies. Furthermore how does this affect Hutorian financial institutions operating in your country?


We agree, the New Endralonian economy relies heavely on the production and exports of goods here, I say the government should allow Hutori to produce goods here and export them without any quotas, it isnt going to harm to our economy at all.

[[Article 10: Economic Cooperation
The contracting parties shall cooperate with eachother to increase the economic output and economic development of both nations. The goal is to strengthen the alliances economy to increase its overal strength and purchasing and producing power;]]


This article must return. New Endralon and Hutori must show that they are willing to invest in each others economy to better each other and strengthen us against our common foes. This is regardless of economic philosofy that one might have. For instance the failure economy build by the current government versus glorious capitalism is not at play here, its about cooperation, knowledge and mutual investments. Even the Communist Foreign minister should agree that if Hutori invested in one of our companies that produces goods for Hutori that it would be of great benefit to us and vise verca.
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby sinister42 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:50 pm

ooc: well played - give me a little while to craft a response. :)
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby sinister42 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:12 pm

Autokrator15 wrote:We agree, the New Endralonian economy relies heavely on the production and exports of goods here, I say the government should allow Hutori to produce goods here and export them without any quotas, it isnt going to harm to our economy at all.


All due respect, Mr. Hunyadi, but the treaty we're proposing has the flexibility to allow the party in power to determine whether or not there should be quotas on production. Unregulated exports do indeed have an effect on our economy - for example, the use of labor, materials, resources, and waste products from Hutori factories in New Endralon. Should the voters return your party to power in the next election, this treaty will allow you to give the Hutoris absolute freedom of the castle in New Endralon. While we're in power, however, we reserve the right to manage and direct New Endralon's economy in ways that we think make sense.

Autokrator15 wrote:This article must return. New Endralon and Hutori must show that they are willing to invest in each others economy to better each other and strengthen us against our common foes. This is regardless of economic philosofy that one might have. For instance the failure economy build by the current government versus glorious capitalism is not at play here, its about cooperation, knowledge and mutual investments. Even the Communist Foreign minister should agree that if Hutori invested in one of our companies that produces goods for Hutori that it would be of great benefit to us and vise verca.


Will you vote against the treaty if we do not add this provision? Doing so would put our Hutori friends in a bind, as without this treaty, we will have no choice but to seize and nationalize Hutori assets. Does your party really want to damage our relations with our Hutori friends over this provision?
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby Autokrator15 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:40 am

Rest assured, with the assurances given by your party f9r this treaty is more than enough for us to vote infavour.

We merelt suggest we add the article as it makes a vague promise to insure investments in each others economy, it can be put in different wording.
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Re: New Endralon - Hutori Treaty Negotiation

Postby sinister42 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:37 pm

We prefer not to add this provision.

It still appears we have an agreement between all parties. Would our Hutori friends like to put the language agreed into a formal treaty?
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