Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby MrBean111 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:26 am

Ms. Kynes,

I'd call it at least noteworthy, before 2680 Lodamun had a 6 trillion dollar GDP, during that decade (2690-2700), GDP dropped to less than 2 trillion. I'd call that pretty big but it doesn't really matter anymore does it and we shouldn't focus all our time on this. That is just a subsidiary to the larger picture on how Lodamun got the large amount of money to pay for all these military structures, hiring private enterprise etc etc; did Lodamun get loans from another nation to pay for all that equipment? Are they in a position to pay them back? I do notice that your Defense Ministry is funded very highly and has a high consumption rate but I'm still wondering how Lodamun got that large amount of money very quickly to pay for those 8 aircraft carriers and 200 ships etc. I'm sure all those things included cost more than 125 billion dollars. If the Lodamun Finance Ministry can talk on this subject It would be greatly apperciated.

There is no international law justifying what you are doing; if you would just abide by the Law of the Sea treaty, we would not be having this discussion. Again, Hulstria understands Lodamun's right to protect themselves but as I said they don't have the right to infringe upon other nation's sovereignty who don't have any association with this Nova Terra conflict. I call upon the government of Lodamun to at least recognize these complaints and make adjustments to their quarantine in a way where friendly ships don't have to be unlawfully inspected on free waters. Lodamun should be respectable of other nations and they will receive the same. Lodamun is perfectly capable of defending their nation in 500k off their coast and they should be focusing on building up internal defenses, focusing more on Internal Affairs to defend their nation.

(ooc: As TWoodWill said, real world laws don't have any meaning in Terra).

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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Mr.Yankees » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:40 am

Minister Gerald von Keither,

It is my understanding that your numbers are quite incorrect. Lodamun does not possess a GDP of trillions yet, we are getting close but not there yet. Our current GDP, which is the highest it has every been is close to $990 billion LOD. I have also been informed that the information you provided for the 2690-2700 decade is incorrect as well. Our GDP has not fallen in quite some time. It's growth was highly reduced during the period of 2685-2698 but no negative growth occurred. Perhaps, you may want to rectify your information.

Lodamun did not financed the contracts with any loans whatsoever. As stated before, the contracts negotiated were for long periods of time at an annual rate pf payment that could be easily afforded by the government. Also, Lodamun has never had a deficit spending in more than 100 years. It is more of a tradition in our country not to have any government deficit unless strictly necessary in case of war or disaster.

Lodamun is listening attentively to the requests by various governments. We are analyzing all the possibilities on the table. We are definitely working towards minimizing any hassle for foreign vessels but at the same time making sure our country remains safe from terrorism. I ask the international community to be patient and not take any bold action to a very pacific and necessary quarantine.

Elizabeth Kynes
Minister of Foreign Affairs
United Republics of Lodamun

(OOC: With regards to international law, we do guide ourselves by some of the most common sense laws the real world has. It is a fact that this game does not have any set laws, aside from the Law of the Sea Treaty, to deal with this sort of conflicts. Many times in this game we go by what the real world dictates, why should this case be any different?)
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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby MrBean111 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:13 am

Ms. Kynes,

I was not saying Lodamun has a GDP in the trillions now, I said they used to have it in the trillions but have seen decline since 2690; GDP did fall by the trillions because of poor management by the former United Republics Party and money was lost at an alarming rate. There was not a deficit I will recognize but that was only because of the fact the URP was not spending anything at all leaving Lodamun Ministries poorly unfunded and giving the country a fake surplus that didn't help GDP growth at all. All I'm saying is that your GDP used to be in the trillions but decreased rapidly. I'm curious by the fact that Lodamun has been able to keep up with these purchases despite the the massive amount of money lost and how Lodamun could still be paying those annual payments when you were in no shape to do so in that small amount of time. How are you getting this money?

Lodamun can protect itself from terrorism if it puts its resources into Ministries like Internal Affairs where they can better handle situtations with terrorists the country; terrorists usually operate in cells within the target country and get in the nation through the borders (Lodamun has a considerably large border), not by a boat. Protection should start at the borders, as well as the coastline but within the mandated limits of 500k. I say again, Lodamun's navy is clearly big enough to cover every inch of the coastline. This quarantine is halting other nations to freely travel and freely trade; Lodamun should respect other nation's sovereignty by pulling back on this quarantine and opening up these trade/travel routes. I hope your government is doing something about this and make an announcement on this ASAP because this situtation is going away anytime soon.

(ooc: name one instance or instances. Lodamun should respect the Law of the Sea, they are a signer of that treaty, and they should respect it. sorry if you get hit by terrorists, but follow the law).


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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Mr.Yankees » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:51 am

Mr. Gerald von Keither,

With all due respect, sir, Lodamun has never had a GDP in the trillions. I would assume that our Finance Ministry has more knowledge of this than yours. Again, we have never had a GDP decline, we have had major slowdowns in growth, even as little as 0.01% growth but never a decline in the last 100 years.

Sir, it is clear that your knowledge and my knowledge of the economy are not sufficient enough. The most I can tell you right now is the Lodamun has never missed a deadline in all its payments and that our Defense Ministry is very well funded. For further explanation, please contact our Finance Ministry directly.

As far as the quarantine goes, our President has just issued a statement and at this moment, I won't issue any additional statements (OOC: I will post the statement after this post).

Elizabeth Kynes
Minister of Foreign Affairs
United Republics of Lodamun


(OOC: I still have not seen any argument on how I failed to follow the Law of the Sea but let's leave that for IC purposes only. As far as using real world laws go, there have been instances where it has been applied to Particracy namely: the rules of blockade; honoring truce, peace treaties, and boundaries-most of the time; protection of embassies and diplomats; the rights of refugees or taking in refugees; international crimes; maintenance of international peace and security; international waters and outer space; global communications; and world trade. Heck, the Law of the Sea comes from the real world one. We may not be aware that we use all of these laws but we do in role playing all the time. So, don't tell me the real world's laws have no bearing in this game. We base EVERYTHING from the real world.)
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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Mr.Yankees » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:53 am

President makes a statement about the quarantine

Port Andalay, Andalay (LCN)- Earlier today, President Kynes gave an unexpected statement at a press conference. The weekly press conference, where the Prime Minister usually makes a few statements about the news of the week and answers questions from reporters, quickly changed from a regular one to a very critical one.

As usual, the Prime Minister walked out with her well-known Deputy but soon thereafter, President Kynes walked out into the room. Reporters were shocked to see the President walk out of the room unexpectedly, it only happes when something important is about to occur. Quickly reporters starting taking dozens of pictures and began to scramble around. Quickly, the room went quiet and the President began to address the crowd:

"Ladies and gentleman, good morning. I apologize for this unexpected situation. In the couple of weeks, the Foreign Affairs Ministry has received communication from several countries expressing their worry about the quarantine currently in effect. We have taken these messages very seriously and we are currently re-evaluating our quarantine zone.

While we have not reached a final decision yet, we will be working with the aforementioned governments in order to minimize any possible interruption of trade and transport. Our government is committed to making sure that all vessels' integrity are protected and that trade goes as smooth as possible throughout this area.

We are working with our colleagues in Luthori to try to reach a consensus as to where our quarantine zone will be located.

Again, we are working very hard to ensure that trade goes as smooth as possible. Among the possible options, we are considering allowing a passage bordering our quarantine zone where ships will be allowed to travel freely without any interruptions. However, I will stress this: All option are being thoroughly considered and our decision will depend heavily on the assistance of other government in tracking down this barbarous terrorists who have inflicted pain upon our nation.

We are not rushing to make any decisions and we ask all the countries to please work with us and not to take any bold action that may lead to a conflict. Lodamun will never incite violence nor will we sponsor it. We are working tirelessly to ensure that our country stays safe and that other countries are not harmed by our protective measures.

Once again, I call upon all of those who have expressed their concern with our quarantine to keep working with us in this issue and to be patient. We are evaluating all options at this point and we will not rush to make any decision.

Thank you very much."

With those words, President Kynes quickly left the room. Reporters were very quick to jump and ask questions to the Prime Minister, who quickly made the following statement:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the President made a very clear statement. We are working with several countries in this issue. All options are currently being considered. Lodamun is committed to protect our citizens but we must also be aware of the possible harm this may cause to other countries. Our nation is built upon values of peace and stability. We hold those values dearly. I will not make any further comments about this issue as this moment."

The Prime Minister quickly moved on to another topic.

This does not come as a shock to many experts who have previously stated the willingness the Kynes Administration has always had to listen to other governments and take their opinion into consideration. " Honestly, I am not surprised at all. Mr. Kynes has always been a diplomat and he will always be. He knows how to negotiate and he is very neutral person. He likes to get what he wants but he also knows how to give. This game is about give and take and he is one of the best at it" said political analyst Jason Kuber. Other political analysts were a bit surprised at the timing of the announcement but not too surprised. "I am a bit surprised about the timing. They haven't reached a decision yet, there is no need to tell the public yet if there is no substance. They may have wanted to calm the international community but they could have simply sent a message. I do see this as a good move. Sooner or later, they would have encountered this problem. I think the Administration is handling it pretty well" said political contributor Ashton Loles.

Both the Presidential Office and the Foreign Affairs Office have not return our calls for additional statements.
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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Mr.Yankees » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:13 am

Quarantine Zone relocated, Freeway Paths created

Port Andalay, Andalay (LCN)- Today, President Kynes issued an executive order to relocated the quarantine zone and create Freeway Paths. The new location of the quarantine zone allows for ships to freely cross through a section of the Egelion-Lodamun Sea without being inspected or boarded. On the west side of the quarantine zone, another pathway was created for the same purpose. Both entrances and exits will be patrolled by Lodamese and Luthori's Navies to ensure Nova Terran ships do not try to cross through.

This news does not come as a surprise. Three days ago, President Kynes indicated in a press conference that options were being discussed and mentioned this as a possible alternative.

This alternative allows for vessels to freely cross the Egelion-Lodamun Sea without any interruptions to trade, one of the main concerns raised by some governments.

No response has yet been received by the international community.


The following is the executive order text:

By the power vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United Republics of Lodamun, I hereby order the following:

1- The quarantine zone shall be relocated as established by this map (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2991/q ... oposal.jpg ).

2- Freeway Paths shall be created for the free and uninterrupted movement of vessels.

3- All the entrance and exits to the Pathways will be carefully inspected by the Lodamese Navy to ensure no Nova Terran ships pass through. This will be surveillance only. Interception will only occur when Nova Terran ships try to enter the pathways.

4- Rules of engagement will remain active in the quarantine zone.

5- The Second Fleet will patrol the area previously designated plus the pathways entrance and exit on the east coast of Lodamun between Lodamuna and Egelion.

6- The First Fleet will patrol the area previously designated plus aide Luthori in patrolling the entrance and exits to the Pathways bordering Telamon.

7- The Fifth Fleet will patrol the area previously designated and await further instructions.


Signed,

Jonathan Kynes
President of the United Republics of Lodamun
Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Opakidabar » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:02 am

""The Cranberry Shipping" salutes the wise decision of Mr Kynes."
John Silver, CEO of The Cranberry Shipping.

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...some packages that contains things extremely similar to money are sent to some civil servants of Lodamun's administration as a gratitude.
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of course you can deny the above "ic secret" message ;)
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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Sam » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:19 pm

The location of the quarantine on the map seems to be very close to, and in some places inside, Hobrazia's territorial waters. This constitutes a blockade of Hobrazia, which is an act of war. We would like to ask Lodamese ships to stay out of our territorial waters. Hobrazia warns Lodamun that any Lodamese Navy ships entering Hobrazian territorial waters will be fired upon by shore batteries and/or any Hobrazian Navy ships that are in the area.
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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby Jay (LDP) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:37 pm

Sam wrote:The location of the quarantine on the map seems to be very close to, and in some places inside, Hobrazia's territorial waters. This constitutes a blockade of Hobrazia, which is an act of war. We would like to ask Lodamese ships to stay out of our territorial waters. Hobrazia warns Lodamun that any Lodamese Navy ships entering Hobrazian territorial waters will be fired upon by shore batteries and/or any Hobrazian Navy ships that are in the area.


OOC: Oh dear God. To shut up tools like Sam, I'm attaching an edited version of the Quarantine Zone. When I made the new version of it containing Freeway Paths, I forgot to fix up the little issues with the old one that made it look like it entered territorial waters of other nations. It doesn't anymore. The issue is now a moot point.

IC: The Foreign Minister of Luthori ensures the representative of Hobrazia that no violation of their territorial waters has or will take place by ships from either Luthori or Lodamun. Never has the Quarantine Zone contained territorial waters of any nation and it never will. We attach a reformed map of the Quarantine Zone which clearly shows that it does not violate your, or any other nation's territorial waters. We apologise if our previous maps did not make this clear.

Thankyou for your understanding.

Mr Harry McCormack
Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Holy Luthori Empire

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Re: Quarantine of International Territory bordering Lodamun

Postby YankeeHater » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:47 pm

These "pathways" still interfere with commerce as there is no east-west passage, and the legality and ability to enforce these zones is questionable at best. Hobrazia is voting on a bill that would join Hulstria in escorting convoys through the blockade.
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