3883 Beluz Crisis

[albatrosinus]

3883 BELUZ CRISIS
A continuation of the Beluz Revolution (3872-3881)
This will help to explain the "3883 Beluz Crisis"

Preliminary Information
In 3872, a Civil War started in Beluzia. It lasted until 3881, when the Communists finally enforced their constitution.

Events explaining the crisis
Two Beluz government parties, Front of the People of Beluzia and the Communist Democratic Party, proposed militaristic bills and started to develop international communism.
The Beluz government helped Cildanian Communists in the civil war.
The Beluz government, especially the Front of the People of Beluzia, hosted the Soldiers of the People's Dawn terrorist network.
Dorvik Chancellor Mr. Von Petrov denounced international communism, especially in Beluzia and Cildania.
The Beluz Parliament disagreed to use the Artanian Mark, which led to internal tensions in the Artanian Union.
The Communist Democratic Party proposed to leave the Artanian Union, then to declare war against other Artanian countries including Dorvik.
Parties in Dorvik and Darnussia proposed sanctions against the Beluz socialist government.

[TheNewGuy]

OOC: OK, we need to slow this down if you want external people to RP with you. I sent a message to another party in Beluzia a while ago when he started the SPD and he was very amenable, so here's some terms from me in order for Narikaton and Darnussia to participate:

1) I'm an adult with a full time job who's played this game for far too long - over ten years. I have unfortunately little time to roleplay, and I am often unmotivated to play even when I do have time. Any RP we did would, therefore, have to be able to withstand bouts of inactivity from me.
2) I do not know you. You seem very willing to RP which is good, but you're also not the largest party in Beluzia and you're facing an immovable force in Stanton House. RP is a difficult thing, and it very frequently ends in hissy-fits. I'm not much interested in that, so if that's all we can expect, it may be best just to not even try.
3) I am very much of the school of thought that in order for an RP to avoid the aforementioned hissy-fits, many things need to be arranged beforehand. Players of this game tend to envision that their nation is /the/ central power of Particracy. In our cases, this is not the case. Narikaton and Darnussia are powerful, economically, but I'm RPing them as coming out of a period of economic distress (because no one of consequence was RPing here for some time). Beluzia I know significantly less about, but it has not been a major power, and will not be unless some significant RP work is done. As far as I am concerned, Beluzia will not be allowed to have or use nuclear weaponry in the course of any RP in which I am going to participate. To keep things fair, N&D will also not use nuclear weaponry. Furthermore, your recent posts claiming you've got over 2.4 million soldiers aren't going to fly. Whether or not it's allowed by Rildanor/the Rules of the Game, I don't much care; it's just too many soldiers to manage effectively, and I won't be recognizing numbers in that magnitude. Prior to RPing I want all sides to be given realistic numbers by Farsun using OTAF, and then and only then will N&D move forward here. In order to RP we need to lay out a very clear plan of what will happen and what the consequences will be, and we need to get at least nominal support from everyone who will be involved. That means the Stantons have to be into it, too, which I think will be the greatest hurdle to any RP.

Thoughts?

[Maxington]

Although I am against his 2.4 million troops statement.

I am very much so willing to role-play with him. Maybe instead of shunning him, we should try to mentor/teach him the "Art of Role-play" in particracy. And give him guidelines on role playing with other players in the future. He seems like an intelligent chap who just needs a bit of guidance.

[TheNewGuy]

Although I am against his 2.4 million troops statement.

I am very much so willing to role-play with him. Maybe instead of shunning him, we should try to mentor/teach him the "Art of Role-play" in particracy. And give him guidelines on role playing with other players in the future. He seems like an intelligent chap who just needs a bit of guidance.

OOC: I agree. I look forward to the prospect of RP. I am not trying to shun. I'm trying to mentor/teach by being very transparent with my expectations, which I think is central to good RP. I absolutely think that we can address the points I bring up and move forward with this RP. I hope that we can.

[albatrosinus]

OOC: OK, we need to slow this down if you want external people to RP with you. I sent a message to another party in Beluzia a while ago when he started the SPD and he was very amenable, so here's some terms from me in order for Narikaton and Darnussia to participate:

1) I'm an adult with a full time job who's played this game for far too long - over ten years. I have unfortunately little time to roleplay, and I am often unmotivated to play even when I do have time. Any RP we did would, therefore, have to be able to withstand bouts of inactivity from me.
2) I do not know you. You seem very willing to RP which is good, but you're also not the largest party in Beluzia and you're facing an immovable force in Stanton House. RP is a difficult thing, and it very frequently ends in hissy-fits. I'm not much interested in that, so if that's all we can expect, it may be best just to not even try.
3) I am very much of the school of thought that in order for an RP to avoid the aforementioned hissy-fits, many things need to be arranged beforehand. Players of this game tend to envision that their nation is /the/ central power of Particracy. In our cases, this is not the case. Narikaton and Darnussia are powerful, economically, but I'm RPing them as coming out of a period of economic distress (because no one of consequence was RPing here for some time). Beluzia I know significantly less about, but it has not been a major power, and will not be unless some significant RP work is done. As far as I am concerned, Beluzia will not be allowed to have or use nuclear weaponry in the course of any RP in which I am going to participate. To keep things fair, N&D will also not use nuclear weaponry. Furthermore, your recent posts claiming you've got over 2.4 million soldiers aren't going to fly. Whether or not it's allowed by Rildanor/the Rules of the Game, I don't much care; it's just too many soldiers to manage effectively, and I won't be recognizing numbers in that magnitude. Prior to RPing I want all sides to be given realistic numbers by Farsun using OTAF, and then and only then will N&D move forward here. In order to RP we need to lay out a very clear plan of what will happen and what the consequences will be, and we need to get at least nominal support from everyone who will be involved. That means the Stantons have to be into it, too, which I think will be the greatest hurdle to any RP.

Thoughts?

OOC :
1) I completely understand this and will take this into account.
2) Well, Stanton House might be the bigger party in Beluzia, it has less than 1/3 of the overall seats. (however, its COMPLETE lack of interest for RP bothers me/us/other Beluz players)
3)
a) I am ready to reach an agreement with Dorvik, whether it's a RP agreement to avoid the war or a RP agreement to play it.
b) I don't believe that Beluzia is a major world power. In fact my idea was to RP it as some sort of equivalent of IRL North Korea. Because of the strong socialist regime, it would have a good military, some WMDs, but it would also face economical struggle, autarky and really bad international relations (except, of course, with other communist nations). My threats against countries like Dundorf, Hobrazia or Narikaton were as meaningless as North Korea's threats against South Korea, Japan or the US. Also North Korea has 30% of population in military reserve, so I don't think 2.4% will be too much to handle for Beluzia (in percentages, it is not that high - countries like Greece, Finland, Georgia or South Korea are much more militarized). (well it would still have oil, but this was already RP'd a long time before I was here (zogist era), so it's not something new)
c) I don't trust Farsun's evaluation. If we need an evaluation, I would like a more neutral, independent one.
d) The Stantons are really a problem for RP. So that means that war might never actually happen.
e) Once again, my "North Korea" idea might not even be approved by the other parties.
f) I didn't just choose 2.4 million soldiers just like that, I chose them because of Revolution statistics, and they are RP convenient. They will also be diminished as years pass, going down to a little more than 1 million soldiers (Rildanor standards) around 2925-2930. The 2.4 million soldiers have been approved by all major Beluz parties (including Stantons). I am ready to lower it if needed, but I will definitely keep Beluz army above 1 million soldiers until 2925.

[albatrosinus]

I hope Particracy 3 will offer a good military aspect to the game (as wars and militaries seem to be planned), so we'll be able to have convenient wars. Maybe even with annexion of territories, or protectorate formations, or whatever.

[Maxington]

If you're looking for North Korea you are in the wrong country.
Dankuk, is particracy's take at North and South Korea with a Hispanic touch.
If you want your korea, Head over to there>

[albatrosinus]

If you're looking for North Korea you are in the wrong country.
Dankuk, is particracy's take at North and South Korea with a Hispanic touch.
If you want your korea, Head over to there>

I'm not looking for the cultural aspect of (North) Korea, but for the political, economical and military aspects of North Korea

[Maxington]

OOC: It does not matter, might it be Politically, economical and culturally, Dankuk.
We have Cultural Protocols in please to ensure things like this do not happen.

[albatrosinus]

OOC: It does not matter, might it be Politically, economical and culturally, Dankuk.
We have Cultural Protocols in please to ensure things like this do not happen.

No, you don't understand what I mean.
I'm not talking about giving Korean ethnicity and names like Kim Jong-Il and everything...
Actually, I'm the one who designed Beluz cultural protocols, so I know that.

I just mean the leadership style of North Korea.