Masturbation

[Hrafn]

How is a masturbation law more "perverted" than sodomy laws, or the fact that it is possible to legalize child pornography in this game?
How is masturbation "perverted" at all? It is pretty common you know.
Is it so strange to imagine that, say, a theocracy would outlaw masturbation? As I said earlier, there are historical precedents in the real world.
Mandatory masturbation is strange, though. I can agree on that.

How about this then:

Law: Government Policy Concerning Masturbation
Category: Civil Rights

Options:
1. Masturbation is legal. (Default)
2. Masturbation is illegal, but not prosecuted
3. Masturbation is illegal and prosecuted.
4. The policy on masturbation is set by local governments.

Effects:
1. Decrease in government responibilities. Increase in progressivism.
2. Increase in government responibilities. Decrease in progressivism.
3. Significant increase in government responibilities. Significant decrease in progressivism.
4. Increase in devolution.

[Xanathos]

I think Hrafn's proposal is sensible.

[Eryk]

Seems like a fine idea to me, now at least. Still can't get over it.

[Aquinas]

This is an odd one, but well, we all do it don't we...

Good proposal, hope it gets implemented.

[UniSocAll]

On the other, its just perverted and wrong as well as ridiculous and many other things. Adding laws should be important for all of us but have we really ran out of ideas to propose this?

Oh come now, this is a game that can legalise slavery and child porn, and has legislation on sodomy, bestiality and public love-making. I say this is a fair addition to particracy, if it would be implemented. I can't see why the mods won't implement it without valid reasoning.

[leroy]

On the other, its just perverted and wrong as well as ridiculous and many other things. Adding laws should be important for all of us but have we really ran out of ideas to propose this?

Oh come now, this is a game that can legalise slavery and child porn, and has legislation on sodomy, bestiality and public love-making. I say this is a fair addition to particracy, if it would be implemented. I can't see why the mods won't implement it without valid reasoning.

A law about slavery is essential for obvious reasons. The particracy law on bestiality is reasonable. I surmise that we can easily find real-life equivalents for it. The public-love-making option was unobtrusive. This particular proposal, however, is frivolous, unreasonable and boring. Yes, boring. As interesting as some of you may find mastubation, the activity is so utterly inconsequetial and limited that any laws about it could only be considered boring (tiresome focus on a perversion and a common one at that). I'm also willing to take a bet that the mods won't implement it. Look at it from a third-party view. If, since I'm a new player, implementing laws in the game are really as difficult as I think they are, mods won't waste their times on niche-perversion laws like this. They would use their efforts to implement laws that could rile up enthusiasm and stimulate debate. Imagine a debate about masturbation in Particracy: the arguments that would follow are perfect for salacious websites. But not for Particracy. It seems that some players believe the gamemasters have enough resources to approve "luxury" laws.

My intention was not to belittle Hrafn. It only irked me that a topic so boring got so much attention, and I had to give it a piece of my mind.

[UniSocAll]

On the other, its just perverted and wrong as well as ridiculous and many other things. Adding laws should be important for all of us but have we really ran out of ideas to propose this?

Oh come now, this is a game that can legalise slavery and child porn, and has legislation on sodomy, bestiality and public love-making. I say this is a fair addition to particracy, if it would be implemented. I can't see why the mods won't implement it without valid reasoning.

They would use their efforts to implement laws that could rile up enthusiasm and stimulate debate. Imagine a debate about masturbation in Particracy: the arguments that would follow are perfect for salacious websites. But not for Particracy. It seems that some players believe the gamemasters have enough resources to approve "luxury" laws.

My intention was not to belittle Hrafn. It only irked me that a topic so boring got so much attention, and I had to give it a piece of my mind.

Well, for conservative, religious and theocratic parties, it would be an issue. Also, a totalitarian, utilitarian and authoritarian might also be able to create some arguments. I find this law fair, reasonable and really, one can't not-justify it. If it's boring, it's boring to you.

[Aquinas]

Masturbation boring? It's more exciting than the funding arrangements for libraries, and we have legislative options available on that!

[Hrafn]

The particracy law on bestiality is reasonable. I surmise that we can easily find real-life equivalents for it.

How many times must I repeat that there ARE real-life examples of masturbation being outlawed?

The public-love-making option was unobtrusive.

What does that have to do with anything? Totalitarianism is a fully acceptable playing option.

tiresome focus on a perversion and a common one at that

mods won't waste their times on niche-perversion laws like this

Is it a common activity or a niche-activity? You can't have it both ways.

I'm also willing to take a bet that the mods won't implement it. Look at it from a third-party view. If, since I'm a new player, implementing laws in the game are really as difficult as I think they are, mods won't waste their times on niche-perversion laws like this. They would use their efforts to implement laws that could rile up enthusiasm and stimulate debate. Imagine a debate about masturbation in Particracy: the arguments that would follow are perfect for salacious websites. But not for Particracy. It seems that some players believe the gamemasters have enough resources to approve "luxury" laws.

This is a valid argument. If the mods don't want to implement the law, I won't try to pressure them, but just bringing up a suggestion doesn't overheat them I would suppose.

Imagine a debate about masturbation in Particracy: the arguments that would follow are perfect for salacious websites.

Just like sodomy, prostitution, pornography, sex in public and sex on TV?

My intention was not to belittle Hrafn.

Uhm. Thanks.

[leroy]

The particracy law on bestiality is reasonable. I surmise that we can easily find real-life equivalents for it.

How many times must I repeat that there ARE real-life examples of masturbation being outlawed?

The public-love-making option was unobtrusive.

What does that have to do with anything? Totalitarianism is a fully acceptable playing option.

tiresome focus on a perversion and a common one at that

mods won't waste their times on niche-perversion laws like this

Is it a common activity or a niche-activity? You can't have it both ways.

I'm also willing to take a bet that the mods won't implement it. Look at it from a third-party view. If, since I'm a new player, implementing laws in the game are really as difficult as I think they are, mods won't waste their times on niche-perversion laws like this. They would use their efforts to implement laws that could rile up enthusiasm and stimulate debate. Imagine a debate about masturbation in Particracy: the arguments that would follow are perfect for salacious websites. But not for Particracy. It seems that some players believe the gamemasters have enough resources to approve "luxury" laws.

This is a valid argument. If the mods don't want to implement the law, I won't try to pressure them, but just bringing up a suggestion doesn't overheat them I would suppose.

Imagine a debate about masturbation in Particracy: the arguments that would follow are perfect for salacious websites.

Just like sodomy, prostitution, pornography, sex in public and sex on TV?

My intention was not to belittle Hrafn.

Uhm. Thanks.

1. I apologise for not reviewing this thread thoroughly. However, masturbation laws remain totally alien to me. I do not expect to convince anyone to agreement just by the statement of my preferences; I fully realise that, so do not hound me on this point.

2. The point of my argument was that the public love-making option was not just there for the heck of it, or that it excites some people to have an option of it. It is within a reasonable context: a degree of allowable obscenity. I can easily see the basis for it. It does not stick out like obsessions with lewd details usually do, which is how some people, such as me, view this masturbation law proposal.
I am not against totalitarian laws; I myself have proposed some very fascist and twisted laws. This particular proposal, however, is too extremely totalitarian, totalitarian to the point of silliness, and it shall remain only a silly law unless other totalitarian laws are implemented first that will balance out this particular proposal. Otherwise, such a law will only look like a streak of perversion and immaturity.

3. That we have a misunderstanding on my amateurish coinage "niche-perversion" is my fault. What I meant to say was a perverted niche-law. I hope that clarifies some things.

4. I have no issue with your proposal. In fact, I'm rather excited about each new proposal. I am only cranky that so much attention (now including mine ) was bestowed upon this thread yet no one was proposing new laws. It irks me to see the thread titled "Masturbation" grow each day yet not see a refreshing, new proposal.

5. You got me on that point.

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