General Assembly Session IV (4159-4173)

Re: General Assembly

Postby Govenor12 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:32 pm

Dear members of the General Assembly,

as you will have taken note, the government of Beiteynu has just started with the repealing of two laws, an initiative to strenthen international coordination and welfare (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=505038).
We ask the international community to recognaize that.


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Re: General Assembly

Postby MarkWill » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:42 am

Steven Moss, Luthorian Ambassador to the World Congress:
Members of the General Assembly,

I have sat in this chamber for many years, and I continue to see some actions that threaten to throw this body into irrelevance. The World Congress acts as a forum for nations of all cultural backgrounds and worldviews to air their grievances and seek to discuss issues with international nations. This requires professional and diplomatic behavior on the part of all delegates, and it means treating all nations with respect, regardless of the policies they may be advocating for. To ensure the longevity of this body, we must not shun members, but encourage them to speak. We must be slow to point fingers and quick to offer a hand to all nations.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby lawrence.depe » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:39 am

President Elisabeth Harland of the Federal Republic of Hutori would like to officially announce that Juan Pavel, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, has become Hutori's ambassador to the World Congress, which also means that they will represent our nation in Seat D of the Security Council. On recent matters concerning the Koeistad Pact, Mr Pavel has made it clear that Hutori will support action against this group of nations, a pact which has the prime intention of ideological suppression. Hutori is a nation of freedom, liberty and equality, and this is a violation of these very principles.

We would be interested in participating in discussions with the leaders of these nations to understand their views and attempt to convince them that political freedom is essential to basic human rights. In addition to these potential discussions, Mr Pavel looks forward to co-operating with all Terran leaders on international policy and guiding a future of liberty and solidarity for all nations.

OOC: While past Hutorian ambassadors have been largely inactive, I can promise you that I will be much more active in foreign affairs so long as I am permitted to represent Hutori.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:03 am

Ambassador Malga:

Mr Pavel touched the core matter of the question: political freedom! Mr Cazarosta, let me mention a foundamental part of the legislation in force in your Country:

Government policy concerning granting citizenship.

    Citizenship is granted based on race/religion/gender.

So, your declaration according to which the solentian people support these measures, it is simply not true because those who can vote, so to which citizenship is recognized, they are not all the solentian people, but only the solentian nationals which fortunately are born meeting the requirements imposed by your government and I do not think I should be the one to explain how it is a regrettable but prevailing human tendency to favor their own interests at the expense of those of others.
(OOC: it is clear that, in spite of the numbers of voters indicated in the in-game national newspaper, in a nation where racial laws lead the citizenship policy, obviously it must be large populations groups excluded from voting because they are not recognized as citizens)

The role of Governments democratically elected by ALL the ethnic, gender, religious or not, etc... components is to assure the protection of all the components of a nation and to mediate between them, because, also if the majority believe, for example, in the segregation policy, this is not Democracy, this is simple "Dictature of the Majority", as explained by the worldwide well-known istalian political scientist of the XXV century Alessio De Tordevilla, which declared: there is no Democracy without the protection of minorities, be they political, ethnic, religious, sexual, etc... and yet I would like mention also another passage, about a apparently "paradox" of the democracy:
The first criticism is that democracy is the inherent paradox in itself, that is if the majority of people wanted an undemocratic governance, democracy would cease to exist. However if the government was opposed to this it cease to be democratic because it would go against the will of the majority.
However, democracy does not guarantee the people the power "only in the immediate" but is based on the fact that it must know how to perpetuate and its perpetuation is automatically made possible by the necessary presence in a country of what we might call "democratic culture", which can be so only if it covers the majority of the population. The lack of democratic culture, then, shows that a democracy is not really such. So, a political system which want call itself as a democracy shall assure protection of minorities from the dictature of the majority but also, to perpetuate itself, shall improve the democratic culture between its citizens, because, as said, if the majority have the power to overcome these principle we have no more democracy!


I would like leave into the office of the Solentian Delegation a copy of Democracy and Democratic thinking, currently a foundamental text in most part of the university of all the world. It could be a good read to be diffused among the rulers and the ruled of Solentia, something to make you understand what is democracy and what no.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby TPPDJT » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:57 am

Axxell wrote:Ambassador Malga:

Mr Pavel touched the core matter of the question: political freedom! Mr Cazarosta, let me mention a foundamental part of the legislation in force in your Country:

Government policy concerning granting citizenship.

    Citizenship is granted based on race/religion/gender.

So, your declaration according to which the solentian people support these measures, it is simply not true because those who can vote, so to which citizenship is recognized, they are not all the solentian people, but only the solentian nationals which fortunately are born meeting the requirements imposed by your government and I do not think I should be the one to explain how it is a regrettable but prevailing human tendency to favor their own interests at the expense of those of others.
(OOC: it is clear that, in spite of the numbers of voters indicated in the in-game national newspaper, in a nation where racial laws lead the citizenship policy, obviously it must be large populations groups excluded from voting because they are not recognized as citizens)

The role of Governments democratically elected by ALL the ethnic, gender, religious or not, etc... components is to assure the protection of all the components of a nation and to mediate between them, because, also if the majority believe, for example, in the segregation policy, this is not Democracy, this is simple "Dictature of the Majority", as explained by the worldwide well-known istalian political scientist of the XXV century Alessio De Tordevilla, which declared: there is no Democracy without the protection of minorities, be they political, ethnic, religious, sexual, etc... and yet I would like mention also another passage, about a apparently "paradox" of the democracy:
The first criticism is that democracy is the inherent paradox in itself, that is if the majority of people wanted an undemocratic governance, democracy would cease to exist. However if the government was opposed to this it cease to be democratic because it would go against the will of the majority.
However, democracy does not guarantee the people the power "only in the immediate" but is based on the fact that it must know how to perpetuate and its perpetuation is automatically made possible by the necessary presence in a country of what we might call "democratic culture", which can be so only if it covers the majority of the population. The lack of democratic culture, then, shows that a democracy is not really such. So, a political system which want call itself as a democracy shall assure protection of minorities from the dictature of the majority but also, to perpetuate itself, shall improve the democratic culture between its citizens, because, as said, if the majority have the power to overcome these principle we have no more democracy!


I would like leave into the office of the Solentian Delegation a copy of Democracy and Democratic thinking, currently a foundamental text in most part of the university of all the world. It could be a good read to be diffused among the rulers and the ruled of Solentia, something to make you understand what is democracy and what no.

Caius Cazarosta, Solentian Foreign Minister:

Thank you for the offer, but I have no need for that book.

Since native Solentians comprise the vast majority of people in Solentia, what harm is done in only granting citizenship to OUR people? Foreigners and minorities may come here, but our creed is "Solentia First," and that clearly shows in our laws.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:16 pm

TPPDJT wrote:
Thank you for the offer, but I have no need for that book.

Since native Solentians comprise the vast majority of people in Solentia, what harm is done in only granting citizenship to OUR people? Foreigners and minorities may come here, but our creed is "Solentia First," and that clearly shows in our laws.


Ambassador Cazarosta,

the vast majority is not all those born in Solentia, let me explain how it work all this matter and I will mention your legislation:

First of all, any nation of this world have to choice who could be considered as "Solentian" and your legislation say:

    Government policy concerning granting nationality (national of this state without implication of having citizenship rights).

    Only those born to nationals become nationals

Than, some nations, for some disgusting ideologies or some irrational and filthy sectarian motivation, decided to choice who among its own nationals have granted the citizenship and the citizenship rights, which first of all include the political rights (rights to vote first of all), and about Solentia this is your legislation, as I already showed you:

    Government policy concerning granting citizenship.

    Citizenship is granted based on race/religion/gender.

But I want mention also another extract from your legislation:

    Government policy concerning immigration.

    No foreigners are permitted to reside permanently in this nation.

So, Mr Cazarosta, foreigners and minorities already CANNOT come in your nation, reside permanently in your nation and claim the nationality, because is against the solentian law! Legitime decision which can take your Government.
But the existence of a discriminating citizenship policy goes without saying that it provides for the exclusion of someone between the nationals (and you first of all said the vast majority of Solentia not all the people of Solentia, as well as the enforcement of the laws above, it goes without saying that it provides forced segregation for someone among the nationals:

    Policy concerning racial segregation in educational institutions.

    All public educational institutions must be segregated.

    Racial segregation of public amenities (eg. drinking fountains, public toilets)

    All government owned public amenities are segregated, private organisations are free to choose.

    Positive discrimination.

    The government discriminates against minorities in its hiring.

So, if already not all the nationals but only the vast majority are entitled of citizens rights and support these measures (and to me seems exist also an opposition inside the vast majority) and if you needs of laws to exclude, discriminate and segregate minorities, and given that exist clear law which exclude foreign to live in Solentia, necesserily exist in Solentia nationals, people born and which live in Solentia, which are totally excluded by any political, civil and social rights! Who are these persons? Only one person or one millions doesn't matter: there is anyway some nationals in Solentia which are discriminated and considered inferior or... I don't know... sub-human? Not human? Or what? What kind of yardstick use the Solentian Government to decide what nationals are worthy and what is not to be considered a human being like all the others to have granted full rights?

I think that you need not only to read the book I presented you, but I think you shall study very well also the legislation of your own nation!

But to retourn on the core of the question: who are the solentians discriminated? Who are those which are not part of the vast majority Mr Ambassador? But, most important: why these solentians are discriminated in this way?

But I already know that, as all the fascists and the fascists regimes, you will never find a ractional and suitable way or motivations to justify the crimes perpetuated in Solentia.
And to responde to the Luthorian Ambassador: when I see crimes and criminals I call them with their names: crimes and criminals! And I treat them as I treats any other criminal who is guilty of the most heinous crimes against humanity.

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Re: General Assembly

Postby lawrence.depe » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:20 pm

Juan Pavel, Hutorian Ambassador to the World Congress:

Based on the valid information provided by the Istalian ambassador, it should be noted that Solentia's isolationist policies allow a Solentian national, which can only be granted by being born to a Solentian national, to only be granted citizenship should they satisfy racial, religious or gender requirements. What are these restrictions?

In addition to this, any non-Solentian national (i.e. foreigner) cannot reside permanently in the nation. Because the only way to be granted nationality is through being born to a national, there is no possibility for any person seeking refuge in Solentia to become a citizen to be allowed to stay there permanently. Also, should these immigrants be allowed to temporarily stay in the nation before their deportation, they are segregated from Solentian nationals in public, educational and work institutions.

This is a violation of basic human rights and I call upon the Solentian national government to explain themselves or face international condemnation and action by the World Congress for these crimes against humanity.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby TPPDJT » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:25 am

lawrence.depe wrote:Juan Pavel, Hutorian Ambassador to the World Congress:

Based on the valid information provided by the Istalian ambassador, it should be noted that Solentia's isolationist policies allow a Solentian national, which can only be granted by being born to a Solentian national, to only be granted citizenship should they satisfy racial, religious or gender requirements. What are these restrictions?

In addition to this, any non-Solentian national (i.e. foreigner) cannot reside permanently in the nation. Because the only way to be granted nationality is through being born to a national, there is no possibility for any person seeking refuge in Solentia to become a citizen to be allowed to stay there permanently. Also, should these immigrants be allowed to temporarily stay in the nation before their deportation, they are segregated from Solentian nationals in public, educational and work institutions.

This is a violation of basic human rights and I call upon the Solentian national government to explain themselves or face international condemnation and action by the World Congress for these crimes against humanity.

Caius Cazarosta, Solentian Foreign Minister:

I will not waste time explaining myself, for my words fall on deaf ears. I could spend an eternity defending the actions of my government, but nothing will change your mind.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby lawrence.depe » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:03 am

Juan Pavel, Hutorian Ambassador to the World Congress:

TPPDJT wrote: I will not waste time explaining myself, for my words fall on deaf ears. I could spend an eternity defending the actions of my government, but nothing will change your mind.
I think you will find that I have been nothing but encouraging of discussion on this topic. By rejecting to explain your government's decisions, you make the issue worse for yourself. We again request that you explain the actions of your Solentian national government.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:16 am

Casistro Malga, Istalian Ambassador:

Your words Mr Cazarosta? What words? Until now we have only heard falsehoods or inaccuracies fueled by your reticence and that of your Government.
We are demanding to you and to your Government a simple question: why for the Solentian Government shall be in Solentia nationals without full rights? Why the Solentian Government have to discriminate between A series citizens and B series citizens? And who are those nationals which have not political and civil rights? People belonging to another "race"? Or believers of a particoular religion? Or you discriminate against women? Which minorities are considered as "indesiderable"?

And Mr Cazarosta, let me quote a phrase uttered by a poet which fought centuries ago in the name of the slavery abolition and against the discrimination: Only the dead and the fools never change their mind.
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