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Re: General Assembly

Postby Govenor12 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:27 pm

The Istalian representative means of course thousands of years of Istlian politcal history, of Istalian sociology history and Istalian academic history and now tries to force this upon the world. The only reason why Istalia seeks to force their definitions upon the world because afterwards they can use it as a principle on what they can attack other nations when they do not come up to their definition. The Istalian representativ did so just now by using its definiton of democracy to attack Beiteynu. That is just a pretaste of the things they will do if we follow their definitions.

Every nation has the right to determine what the rule of law is, what free and fair elections are, what citizens are, what active particpiation means and what political, human and civil rights are. Defining all these points would mean the exclusion of many alternatives of government. We are all unequal in the world and each and every nation detmerines what all these words mean in their national context. And this freedom at its best. This also serves to define words like "dignity" and "needs". What does a human need....very hard question.

Furthermore it was not Beiteynu which tries to encircle Beiteynu by passing treaties with Malivia and Pontesi and it was not the government of Beiteynu which first sent troops to Badara and it was not the government of Beiteynu which constently tries to force nations into their believes. Istalia is a deeply interventionist nation and is threatening the stability of Majatra.


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Re: General Assembly

Postby RedReaper » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:48 pm

The Secretariat of the GA-URSR;

The Istalian government effectively proved our point. The first element a) a political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; effectively rules that direct democracy isn't democracy in the Istalian sense, as a democratic system without representatives, in which the population decides and votes on policy themselves obviously doesn't have a method for choosing a government through elections.
This is exactly the Secretariat's point; that any definition of democracy overrules the others because ultimately they contradict each other. The Old Badaran Government via its Revolutionary Federation Act effectively implemented communal direct democratic systems aswell as direct democratic systems in the workplace. By your definitions the workers electing a boss would be democratic while workers deciding policy themselves would not be. Representative Democracy is not the only type of democracy that exists and to define democracy as neccessarily representative you risk outlawing highly democratic systems which don't meet your predefined definitions.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby RedReaper » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:00 pm

The Secretariat of the GA-URSR

As for the current crack downs on Communist groups and supporters throughout Terra, we send our Solidarity, and condemn every action made by the specific candidates who wish to undermine democracy in order to keep their grasp on power.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:08 pm

Virginia Olivieri:

Mr Secreatariat,
sorry, we didn't want exclude direct democracy from our definition, the way in which the people can express their will are several. Fair and equal elections to elect representative or to express form of direct democracy (like a vote into a community assembly or like submit the law directly to the people for example) to us is the same thing if it is graanted the partecipation of all the citizens without discrimination and the protection of the minorities and so that to all the citizens are recognized equal rights to vote and express their political opinion without fear of persecution.
The Badaran Revolutionary Federation Act, stamped out the right to express its own political opinion to all or some citizens? The Revolutionary Federation Act limited the partecipation of the citizens or part of them to the public life of their communities and their society? We didn't see this and the Revolutionary Federation Act could be consider a democratic mechanism, because, if we take the body most close to the people, we see that it recognize to every citizens the right to partecipate to it. And we think that in each level of this system should be present form of vote between the members of each body, if not we think that without any form of vote or expression of the well of the partecipants, all these hierarchic bodies would be useless. It is right?
The Representative Democracy is one of the several form of Democratic Government, we agree with this. As we have said many times, some elections to chose some representative it is not the only elements to determine if a nation is a democracy or not. We have seen that many of the most heinous regimes, also recently, allowed elections, but this didn't make them "Democracy".

And finally, for Beiteynu, the definition wich we exposed, personally I didn't find it only in Istalia, as the Beiteyneses trying to say. I first studied in Istalia, I spent part of my university career in Hutori and then I achieved a master degree in Baltusia and then in Luthori and I can assure you that the books I used for the most part were written by not istalian scholars.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Arapaima13 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:52 pm

Xiptibagħl Lawan, Representative of Cildania

Following a request from the opposition party within Beiteynu to the URSR for military support, Cildania fears revolution is imminent. Our troops are on standby and will assist the sovereign Beiteynese government should the URSR make any military move. We will also be seeking closer relations with Beiteynu in retaliation to the URSR's aggressive and bloodthirsty military policy.

Let Cildania be clear however. It is not, and will not, fight communism. This is instead a retaliation to the URSR's belief that it is above others.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby stuntmonkey » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:31 am

Anton Clausewitz, Chief Plenipoteniary of the Imperial Crownlands of Hulstria:

On behalf of Her Imperial Majesty's Government I can inform you that Hulstria is also seeking closer ties with Beiteynu in response to the violent revolutionary noises coming from the URSR. We will also seek closer ties with Badara to ensure the communists do not get a foothold there again.

Given that this body no longer takes action and endlessly debates the academic definition of democracy instead, it is up to individual nations with the capacity to defend ourselves to take the fight to the communists who are hatching plans to overthrow governments with violence and insurrection.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby RedReaper » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:01 pm

The Secretariat of the GA-URSR;

Understanding the dire nature of the present political situation in Majatra, we wish to enter negotiations with the parties and governments involved in order to see if a peaceful solution can be found to the present situation. We do not seek to create a conflict which will lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Allow negotiations to occur, organised and facilitated by the World Congress. We hope you will approve this proposal.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:10 am

Virginia Olivieri, Istalian Representative:

Estimed representatives of the General Assembly,
First of all, let me announce to Hulstrian representative that any military action against a nation aimed to stamp out this or that ideology will be strongly condamned and you will find Istalian forces on your path, and not only Istalian forces! This is our last statement on the matter. Furthermore, we invite Hulstria to consider very well its menaces launched against Kazulia. Any military action against Kazulia will be seen only as an unmotivated aggression of a nation against another, aimed only to size new lands, on the path of an anacronistic and imperialistic revival of the force from an era long past. The Hulstrian people and lands at the origin of this crisis today, and for long long time, are kazulian citizens. If they are aimed to join Hulstria, they are free to move in Hulstria, where, we think, the local Government can perfectly welcome them. But, if they ramain to live in Kazulia, we don't think it is because the Kazulian Government prohibits them to move or change nation. The Hulstrians in Kazulia, not the Hulstrian Government, can demand a referendum to Kazulia. But since this request doesn't come from the people interested, no foreign Government can demand such a think to another sovereign nation. And Kazulia is well know to be a developed democracy for long time and any allegation by part of Hulstria about form of political or civil limitation in Kazulia would be simply considered as unrealistic. It is not Kazulia, after all, which classified its citizens into different "class" based only to their ethnicity, it is not Kazulia which bar to one or more of such "class" to partecipate to the political and social life of their own nation. So, if Hulstria really care about the hulstrians in Kazulia, why not you don't open your arms proposing them to move in Hulstria, rather than attempt to take lands from foreign nations? So, the real question is: the Kazulian Hulstrians are really interested to move from a democratic nation like Kazulia to a nation like Hulstria? A part the statement made by the Hulstrian Government, can we hear some statement made by kazulian hulstrians? Since now we didn't heard nothing from these people.

Now, we must talk about another serious crisis, the Thallerist regime which took the power in Western Kalopia. A regime which already caused sufference to the nation and which will cause even more sufference, first of all due to the reintroduction of the Slavery. A nation which for its own admission cooperate with Eilomax, infringing one of the most recent Resolution adopted by the Security Council, the Resolution 25, which condamn Eilomax and any nation, organization or individual discovered to cooperate with Eilomax. We will invite the WCASO to present a statement on the matter and to propose a line of action against it.
Istalia, however, is ready to take since now measure to contrast these heinous regime. We are working to establish an international embargo and, we announce you already that our forces, alongside the forces of the Eastern Kalopia and Malivian units, soon will begin an operation to stop any Eilomax ships approaching or departing from Western Kalopia, we will size any ship found to shipping human beings as slaves, we will arrest the crews which will be judged in Eastern Kalopia or in Istalia for Slavery and Slave trade. Istalia is also working inside the Majatran Alliance, first of all with Eastern Kalopia and with Deltaria, to close the borders, which will be open only for refugees escaping from the regime, and Eastern Kalopia already informed us that since the size of the power by part of the Thallers thousands of people already left Western Kalopia. Also Jakania give us positive response so to cut any relations and to close the borders and stop any form of trade with Western Kalopia.

Finally, Istalia already debarked in Eastern Kalopia 3000 troops, which soon will rise to 5000. They are deployed alongside the forces of Eastern Kalopia along the westren borders: any action by part of the Thallerist forces against Eastern Kalopia or against our forces will be considered as an act of war.

We have really few hopes and confidence to the current Security Council, Istalia, with saddness, have to admit that thinks no aid or support, nor actions, will come from the Security Council, which members we fear will show again all their biased position on the matter. For this reason, it is time that the Nations of this world which believe in the dignity of all the human beings take the necessary actions to protect these high values.
No culture or civilization can justify the murder, the discrimination and the horror!
One of greatest, if not the greatest war which this world has seen was fight against slavery and human rights violations and these practice was defeated and persecuted. And in the light of the Resolution adopted until now by this body, by the nations chosen by the majority of the world nations, these value were confirmed to be the foundamental features of the modern world, and no personal interest or dreams of hegemony will make change all this! And Istalia is ready to bring here the position of the nation of the wolrd, and bang the table DEMANDING that this Organization, finally, will take decisive, resolute and not biased action.

We will not allow any more that the interest and the goals of this or that nation will be carry out on the skin of million of people enslaved and murdered!
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Reddy » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:37 am

Skanderbeg Bej Rama, Kalopian Ambassador to the WC

We ask that Istalia remove its little troops from our territory in eastern Kalopia. We really don't want to hurt the little Istalian dwarfs when we reclaim our provinces. There is no legal authorisation for such a deployment. The so called "Federal Republic of Kalopia-Wantuni" is just a rebellious set of provinces which the Tyrant has vowed to restore to the Hegemony as is the duty of any leader. We also note that Istalia is threatening us with war if we reclaim our provinces and hinting at invasive exploits into our national waters. This rogue regime should be punished with the harshest of sanctions for threatening Majatran peace.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:55 am

Yannis Halkiopoulous, Ambassador to the World Congress of the Federal Republic of Kalopia-Wantuni:

We ask to the Istalian Representative to let me respond to the statement made by the thallerist representative of Eastern Kalopia.
Mr Rama, my nation is not a rebellious set of provinces, it is a sovereign nation existing since 4219, established by its citizens through democratic process. The criminal government of the Thallers doesn't recognize us? Who will recognize you? Beiteynu, the pariah of this world? From Zardugal to Istalia, passing through Pontesia, Deltaria, Jakania, my nation and Kafuristan, already we are working together to contrast such foreign invasion of Western Kalopia.
Soon, many other nations will show their opposition to the horrors that your "tyrant" is establishing in Kalopia.
You and your "Tyrant" cannot demand NOTHING!
Eastern Kalopia is led by a legittime and democratic Government, with all the capabilities to defend itself and which can make confiance on its more close ally to support the defense of our nation.
We say to you, as the istalian collegue already did, that any military action against the Federal Republic of Kalopia-Wantuni will be considered as a declaration of war, with all the conseguences of the case. Remain behind your the borders, and this is not a "suggestion"!
We demand to the World Congress to defend the sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Kalopia-Wantuni from the threat and the menaces launched by the thallerist regime.
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