General Assembly Session X (4249-4265)

Re: General Assembly

Postby Maxington » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:08 pm

Arbjartur Gilbertsson, Kazulian Ambassador to the World Congress.

I find it funny that before the Yeudish government closed their statement they described their nation in great detail. A dictatorship where unclear formulations are used against political enemies (they will of course deny this, calling it factitious). On the questions of the powers of the World Congress, the Yeudish government spared no pains in seeing that the WC did not exercise any extraordinary powers which might encroach on its national sovereignty. Beiteynu was diametrically opposed to the formation of an organ aimed at investigation human rights violation, Beiteynu, along with other nations who believed that the World Congress is an omnipresent organisation aimed at stealing the sovereignty of individual nations one resolution at a time, were against a proposal to form an organ within the World Congress aimed at conducting authorised peacekeeping mission instead of "intervention" taking by nations similar to Beiteynu; by calling these things "threats to national sovereignty". A classic political move by a dictatorship similar to Beiteynu (which it will deny being), but various nations know this is not far from the truth.

On the question of the World Congress being a thread to national independence/sovereignty. We listen to nations and their respective representatives champion the cause that the World Congress, its organs and its resolutions seeks to systemically rid nations of their sovereignty. To safeguard its particular interests (which i can predict it will deny), the Yeudish government along with a collection of various nations demanded that provisions be made within the World Congress to exclude the possibility of WC control over nations seeing that World Congress was formed "with the aims of becoming an omnipresent forces wishing to encroach on the sovereignty of nations". It appears that certain nations represented within this Assembly are actively using this facade as a legislation magic wand to curb internal influence and thinking and foster an anti-World Congress mentality. It is clear that certain nations want a looser association with the World Congress. I remind these nations that there is nothing stopping them for disassociating themselves with the Congress and they are free to leave and refrain from commenting within the Assembly. If you wish to do so, your comment (seemingly driven by your umbrella objective of bring about things which fall under your interest) will no longer be considered as a rational thought. Not say that they were considered in the past. But i digress as said nations will call that "an attempt to encroach of their democratic rights and national sovereignty." Not to say that some of the nations championing this cause are democratic.

Indeed one can say that certain nations within this assembly are preoccupied in looking after its own selfish interests and not the interests of the entire community. Certain nations seems to want everything out of the World Congress and wants to give nothing to it (a fact which they will deny). Said nations want maximum representation that will put them in a position where they will virtually supplant the WC and the various nations represented (which will also deny). A selfish venture launched by various nations in this assembly Indeed.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Generalissimo1 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:13 pm

We... withdraw all objections on the grounds of national sovereignty and apologise to the Assembly for our irrational opposition. Sekowo reaffirms its full support for the World Congress and most of its decisions.

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Re: General Assembly

Postby General.M » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:19 pm

Adam Urzica, ambassador of New Endralon/Kizenia
We have seen the proposal of the Istalian delegation for basic human rights. Overall it is good but we do have some comments. As expected, it is vague but that is a good thing as a very specific declaration would contradict the sovereignty of nations.

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Is private social security also allowed under this article? If so, there are no problems. If not, this is a big problem for all liberal or libertarian countries.

Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

This is where we find a place where our nation would contradict basic human rights. We liberals have chosen to let the people decide where to work without regulation. People can choose to work in unfavorable work conditions if they want. They rarely do, but we let the people decide how, where and when to work. Giving people the right to favourable work conditions is very specific and not a basic human right.

Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Here again the declaration turns very specific. We let the people decide how to get payed. Some people would rather get payed more during working weeks and not get payed during the holidays. Some people really like their work or want to get payed more and therefore don't want any holidays. We let them. But this passage contradicts our national law. This is not a basic human right but an administrative law.

Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the nations of Terra for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Just a small note, can we allow homeschooling too? In this phracing it is not allowed.

In this declaration we find the word reasonable very often. This is not specified in the declaration. Who determines what is reasonable? The Security Council or the World Congress? We would rather have an international court determine this but unfortunately this has not yet passed in the Security Council.

Overall, this is a good first draft but it needs some adjustment. We would love to ratify such a declaration but we cannot do this with the current proposal. New Endralon/Kizenia has been ranked Impressive by the Human Rights Foundation and if even we don't follow all the rules we don't think any nation will follow all the articles.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:58 pm

Virginia Olivieri, Istalia Representative:

We thanks New Endralon/Kizenia for its contributions and to have point out issue which in effect we espected to see.
We are open to work together to perfectionate the text. There are solutions for these remarks. For example: elementary education, it is not specified that it should be carried out into a school, separete structure, into a classroom, with other students, etc..., homeschooling is a common system adopted by some families also in Istalia. We should intend this as "an elementary education should be offer to any child" the way then will be decided by each community, region, nation.
About the social security, I think that private social security it could be an option.
But, I think it is better to continue in other place the debate, between our nations but we can also promote a n international conference/meeting to talk together about these issues. The economic issues, we know it, are always quite delicate.

About an international court, we fully agree! An international court formed by indipendent judge and international law experts, which will act as body to solve interpretation issues, under the influence of no nations and indipendent, and untouchable by SC and GA.
It is clear today that we need of such Authority. For to much time we have witnessed the international laws "interpreted" and so destroyed! How can exist the World Congress itself without a clear common international law? How can exist the diplomacy itself without a shared and general common interpretation? We need of it, it is simple and clear, it is foundamental, as said, to develop the diplomacy itself.
And we thanks the Kazulian delegation to have clearly remarked all this, all this particular "interpretation" of international law, a behavior which contributed to the current state of the Organization itself.

For Beiteynu, constitutional emendament or not, Beiteynu always ignored the World Congress and its decision. So, what should we care such decision? We can only feel pity for the people that are crushed by its shameless Government, but maybe will give even more forces to those which don't want forget these poor people.
And how can you be so nil to even don't understand the contradiction of your claims! what you declared, that "the only laws vable are the laws od each country"_ undermine all your great statements on the National Sovereignty. If in Istalia should pass a law which consider Beiteynu one of its provinces, why the international stage should remain to hear Beiteynu which talk about imperialism and attack to its national sovereignty? For Istalia the only vable laws are its domestic laws. What is the national sovereignty? What are the rights and laws of Beiteynu? And all the contrasts will end to be solved through the war! A really beautiful world!
As suggested by the Kazulian Ambassador: if you don't care of the WC, why you continue to plague us with your poisoned words?
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Re: General Assembly

Postby stuntmonkey » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:03 pm

Anton Clausewitz, Chief Hulstrian Plenipotentiary to the World Congress:

We support the concept of Resolution 40 which is currently being discussed by the Security Council members. Although we do not support the idea of Malivia being involved in the direct mediation - they have demonstrated far too much bias. We believe the mediator should be Dorvik, alone. They have stood neutral throughout and have strong links to both Kazulia and Hulstria.

In terms of the conflict you will see now that our nation has been invaded by the wolves from the north. I said to this organisation more than two years ago that we had no choice if you did not lend us your support - we had to invade or be invaded. Now is the time for this organisation to repair the poor decisions of the past, stop the Kazulian onslaught and insist they return their troops to their original border.

Speaking of damaging decisions, we also ask this body to urgently investigate intelligence we have received which points to international interference - namely supporting rebel groups in our country. Much of the weaponry they have acquired is Istalian army standard - modern and sophisticated enough to suggest this wasn't simply purchased on the black market.

So I have to ask the question of Ambassador Olivieri: is Istalia involved in supporting the rebel groups in our country, both militarily and otherwise?
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Axxell » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:31 pm

Virginia Olivieri, Istalian Representative:

The Istalian Government noted the remarks on Malivia made by the Hulstrian Government. So, to improve peace process, the Istalian Government want accept the request of the Hulstrian Government leaving to Dorvik the task to follow the negotiations.
Furthermore, we needs now to contact the Kazulian Government which in this moment is avancing in Hulstria or we demand to the Kazulian delegation to express the position of its Government. However, our military analysts, after having analyzed very well the evolvement of the conflict, would suggest to Hulstria to avoid to its own citizens and to its lands further sufferences accepting now the inevitable conclusion of this conflict which unlikely you will be able to gain with already your naval forces extremely compromises, Kazulia which is taking the control of the skies, with your ground forces which drow back affected also by defections, a chain of command highly compromised and serious internal uprising and troubles.

About the question of Mr Clausewitz about possible istalian involvement into the conflict, the Istalian Government denies any involvement and that is supporting these rebels groups.
The illegal arms market is one of the larger blackmarkets and sure one of the more difficult to control, especially in this time of global troubles.
Also the fact that these arms are modern and sophisticated cannot exclude that they came from the blackmarket: the uprising in the southern State of the Federal Republic of Kalopia allowed to foreign fighters, terrorists, rebels and illegal arms dealers to seize significant quantities of arms of the Federal Defence Forces of Eastern Kalopia, which use massively equipements made in Istalia. We cannot exclude that these kind of armaments may have been sold around the world.
But, I would add one thing: maybe if the Government of Hulstria would have never conducted its oppressive ethnic policies and would have refrained to use prisoners but first of all part of its own citizens as deterrent and cannon fodder, probably today it would not be contrasting an internal insurection. Probably today there would be not underground activities, like you suggest, to undermine your Government.
We invite the Government of Hulstria to reflect on its own actions and on their conseguences before to make fall the responsabilities on foreign nations. Maybe if your Government would be not using foreign citizens as human shield, no foreign forces would be working against you, and we can assure to Hulstria that not only Istalia abhors you behavior, actions and crimes. And about these foreign citizens, we invite Dorvik to put among the first conditions to open the negotiations the release of the foreign citizens into the hands of the Hulstrians.

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Re: General Assembly

Postby stuntmonkey » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:27 pm

Anton Clausewitz, Chief Hulstrian Plenipotentiary to the World Congress:

Firstly, we welcome news that the Istalian delegation has backed down on insisting Malivia is involved in any future talks between my nation and the Kingdom of Kazulia. Their inexperience in such matters would have led to disaster.

However, we do not accept the military analysis of the situation Ambassador Olivieri conveys. We have tens of thousands of reserve troops digging in along prepared defensive lines, in territory carefully chosen to further hamper the enemy's advance. We also have two army groups withdrawing in good order who will cause significant damage to the enemy as they fall back. Operation Human Shield is helping to nullify the enemy bombing successes and current air superiority and our internal security forces, including the Reich Security Bureau (RSB), are on top of the futile insurrections stirred up by outside elements.

Therefore, any such talk of surrender - unconditional or otherwise - is out of the question. Instead I suggest this organisation concentrates on speaking to the Kazulian government and explain how foolhardy a prolonged invasion of our nation will be as well as how many tens of thousands of their young soldiers will meet a bloody end far from home.

Furthermore, we note that the Istalian ambassador has given us a straight answer regarding the supply of military-grade Istalian arms to the rebels. Consequently, I can be just as candid when I say that absolutely no Istalian citizens who remained in our nation after the conflict started are being deployed to key locations around the country to deter strategic bombing. I hope this reassures the Ambassador just as much as his forthright answer and explanation gives us peace of mind.
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Re: General Assembly

Postby Auditorii » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:24 am

"I have been asked by my government to relay that the former Kalopian "Tyrant" Malgus III Thaller has been captured and is currently in Dorvik."

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Re: General Assembly

Postby Generalissimo1 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:49 am

We would like to state our delight at the capture of the tyrant of the Kalopian people and we congratulate the Dorvik government in his capture. We hope that now sanctions may begin to be lifted on Kalopia, which is now indisputably free.

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Re: General Assembly

Postby cm9777 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:37 am

Generálny - Guvernér Szőke Norbert Von Thaller (Deltaria) to the World Congress

Malgus was a Tyrant that represented the worst of humanity. He blackened the name of my noble family and I can never forgive the horrible atrocities committed in his name. I spoke to him once in Narikaton and we all knew this to be true. But what Dorvik has done is a clear violation of international law. Kidnapping a foreign head of state is a horrible crime and should be punished. The Government of Dorvik and the Kalopian collaborators that orchestrated this should stand trial. It doesn't matter whether the person in question is a hero or a tyrant. I call on members of the World Congress to condemn the Government of Dorvik for this action. We must remember that the end does not justify the means. If this goes unpunished, who knows what else the Dorvish will do. Members of the assembly, I call upon you to sign this treaty condemning the Government of Dorvik for its actions. Our government is also breaking off Diplomatic Relations with Dorvik for this outrageous action. ... atyid=3866 (Link to the treaty)
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