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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Captain-Socialist » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:27 pm

Okay, so I'm introducing a new language - and because I'm not a linguist I'm using a rather round about method of creating it.

Basically, it's Hulstro-Mikun, a Dundorfic language with Gao-Showan influence, written in Katakana script. It's basically just normal German run through a bunch of converters and online translators.

So, first step is a German word:

1) Kaiser.

I run it through the English to katakana converter and it becomes this.

2) カイザー

Then I put it into either google translate or kana to romaji.

3) Kaizā.

Thus "Nationalsozialistische" becomes "Natexianarusojiarisutexisuku", Hulsterreich becomes "Haruzuterusuaiku" and so forth. Doesn't seem 100% reliable, but I think it could work with an eye for consistency.
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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby TheNewGuy » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:11 pm

Captain-Socialist wrote:Okay, so I'm introducing a new language - and because I'm not a linguist I'm using a rather round about method of creating it.

Basically, it's Hulstro-Mikun, a Dundorfic language with Gao-Showan influence, written in Katakana script. It's basically just normal German run through a bunch of converters and online translators.

So, first step is a German word:

1) Kaiser.

I run it through the English to katakana converter and it becomes this.

2) カイザー

Then I put it into either google translate or kana to romaji.

3) Kaizā.

Thus "Nationalsozialistische" becomes "Natexianarusojiarisutexisuku", Hulsterreich becomes "Haruzuterusuaiku" and so forth. Doesn't seem 100% reliable, but I think it could work with an eye for consistency.


Neat, a similar concept to what we've done with Jelbic in the post-IdioC era. I've always thought PT needs more conlangs.
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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Captain-Socialist » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:52 pm

I also plan on adding more sub-divisions in the current binary of "Hulstrians" and "Gao-Showans", which seems rather unrealistically clear-cut after, peew, must be hundreds of centuries of co-existence, intermarriage and cultural exchange. My models for this are the melting pots of Late Antiquity and contemporary Israel, where the formerly deep divide between Ashkenazi (evil colonial Europeans!!!!) and Mizrahi (innocent misguided Jewish Arabs!!!) is gradually become meaningless due to intermarriage and a strong sense of shared national identity. A few more interesting minorities will also be added on the new protocols I plan to write, with a Sekowan community on the wrong side of the border being a must.

Any ideas?

Some drawing board concepts;

1) Folk-Hulstrians - Hulstrians who predominately live on the western frontiers, and have a South African/Rhodesian mentality. Don't speak Hulstro-Mikun at home, multilingual by necessity in order to communicate with the natives. Servant owning, plantation style culture.

2) Luthoro-Hulstrians - Aristocratic blue bloods who are descended from the original Luthori colonial elite. Small in number, but conspicuous by their wealth and connections. I feel the close connection between Luthori and Hulstria contrasts very strongly with the relationship between Revolutionary America and the British Empire, so I don't imagine that there was a mass exodus of Loyalists in a similar fashion as to what happened in America.

3) Reich-Hulstrians - The native Dundorfische speaking elite, proudly descended from the leaders of the original war of independence. Predominantly based in Hulstria proper.

4) Hulstro-Showans - Originally lower class Dundorfic settlers who ended up so far down the button of Hulstria's class system they ended up living alongside the Gao-Showan peasantry, these are people who have been intermarrying and living with Gao-Showans for so long that they ceased to be "mix-race" and became a community in their own right. They are the source of the Hulstro-Mikun language, which has traditionally been seen as vulgar slang or a inferior dialect. Traditionally proletarian and/or rural, the Hulstro-Showans have gradually come into the mainstream over the long centuries.

5) Gisoten - Fully Hulstrised Gao-Showans, and converts to Hosianism (these two traits are, naturally, connected). Predominately middle-class, militaristic and highly royalist community.

6) Kunihito - The pure, "city-dweller" Gao-Showans. These are the dominant elite in the eastern half of the country. Speaks proper Kunikata, formerly the secondary group in the dual-Monarchy.

7) Gao-Draddwyr - Refugees from the "Welsh Genocide" who assimilated into Kunihito culture. Small, amish-like minority in the Empire proper. However, in the colonies larger tribes exist with a small inkling of national consciousness. Speak the Gao-Draddwyr language, which is Welsh run through the same converters as above. :D Shimurū amu bisu!
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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Captain-Socialist » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:43 pm

TheNewGuy wrote:
Captain-Socialist wrote:Okay, so I'm introducing a new language - and because I'm not a linguist I'm using a rather round about method of creating it.

Basically, it's Hulstro-Mikun, a Dundorfic language with Gao-Showan influence, written in Katakana script. It's basically just normal German run through a bunch of converters and online translators.

So, first step is a German word:

1) Kaiser.

I run it through the English to katakana converter and it becomes this.

2) カイザー

Then I put it into either google translate or kana to romaji.

3) Kaizā.

Thus "Nationalsozialistische" becomes "Natexianarusojiarisutexisuku", Hulsterreich becomes "Haruzuterusuaiku" and so forth. Doesn't seem 100% reliable, but I think it could work with an eye for consistency.


Neat, a similar concept to what we've done with Jelbic in the post-IdioC era. I've always thought PT needs more conlangs.


Thanks!

Just found out something cool, Google Translate has a "read out loud" feature that sounds very much like a real Japanese person. It confirms that even though the words sometimes look really different to the original they are actually pronounced pretty similar to the original German when I get them read aloud. Getting it read aloud in German sounds pretty nice too.

https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/Dāsu%20Gurōraiku%20Mikuni-Harusutoria

Also for the lols you can listen to a English women butcher it totally. :lol: This is actually really impressive software google has.
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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby NewBeiteynu » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:47 am

Captain-Socialist wrote:I also plan on adding more sub-divisions in the current binary of "Hulstrians" and "Gao-Showans", which seems rather unrealistically clear-cut after, peew, must be hundreds of centuries of co-existence, intermarriage and cultural exchange. My models for this are the melting pots of Late Antiquity and contemporary Israel, where the formerly deep divide between Ashkenazi (evil colonial Europeans!!!!) and Mizrahi (innocent misguided Jewish Arabs!!!) is gradually become meaningless due to intermarriage and a strong sense of shared national identity. A few more interesting minorities will also be added on the new protocols I plan to write, with a Sekowan community on the wrong side of the border being a must.

Any ideas?

Some drawing board concepts;

1) Folk-Hulstrians - Hulstrians who predominately live on the western frontiers, and have a South African/Rhodesian mentality. Don't speak Hulstro-Mikun at home, multilingual by necessity in order to communicate with the natives. Servant owning, plantation style culture.

2) Luthoro-Hulstrians - Aristocratic blue bloods who are descended from the original Luthori colonial elite. Small in number, but conspicuous by their wealth and connections. I feel the close connection between Luthori and Hulstria contrasts very strongly with the relationship between Revolutionary America and the British Empire, so I don't imagine that there was a mass exodus of Loyalists in a similar fashion as to what happened in America.

3) Reich-Hulstrians - The native Dundorfische speaking elite, proudly descended from the leaders of the original war of independence. Predominantly based in Hulstria proper.

4) Hulstro-Showans - Originally lower class Dundorfic settlers who ended up so far down the button of Hulstria's class system they ended up living alongside the Gao-Showan peasantry, these are people who have been intermarrying and living with Gao-Showans for so long that they ceased to be "mix-race" and became a community in their own right. They are the source of the Hulstro-Mikun language, which has traditionally been seen as vulgar slang or a inferior dialect. Traditionally proletarian and/or rural, the Hulstro-Showans have gradually come into the mainstream over the long centuries.

5) Gisoten - Fully Hulstrised Gao-Showans, and converts to Hosianism (these two traits are, naturally, connected). Predominately middle-class, militaristic and highly royalist community.

6) Kunihito - The pure, "city-dweller" Gao-Showans. These are the dominant elite in the eastern half of the country. Speaks proper Kunikata, formerly the secondary group in the dual-Monarchy.

7) Gao-Draddwyr - Refugees from the "Welsh Genocide" who assimilated into Kunihito culture. Small, amish-like minority in the Empire proper. However, in the colonies larger tribes exist with a small inkling of national consciousness. Speak the Gao-Draddwyr language, which is Welsh run through the same converters as above. :D Shimurū amu bisu!


Really interesting work! I played in Hulstria when it was first created and it makes sense that over a thousand years later there has been some mingling!
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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Schmoo » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:15 pm

Wait how did you find this read out loud thing?
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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Captain-Socialist » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:10 pm

Schmoo wrote:Wait how did you find this read out loud thing?


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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby hulstriastronk » Sun May 31, 2015 7:45 am

IRL : Was there any mingling between Austrians and Hungarians?

Hungary had been an "Austrian" crownland since 1526 and 1918. I don't think there was any mingling.

So why would there be a mingling between Hulstrians and Gao-Showans?

Because of the fear of the Yukio-Labsburgs.

So after the Yukio-Labsburg domination ended, I think that people would slowly come back to their Hulstrian heritage, especially about Hosianism!

It would just be like in IRL USSR, where religion started to come back after the end of the communist regime.

Here it's the same thing.

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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Captain-Socialist » Sun May 31, 2015 10:28 am

hulstriastronk wrote:IRL : Was there any mingling between Austrians and Hungarians?

Hungary had been an "Austrian" crownland since 1526 and 1918. I don't think there was any mingling.

So why would there be a mingling between Hulstrians and Gao-Showans?

Because of the fear of the Yukio-Labsburgs.

So after the Yukio-Labsburg domination ended, I think that people would slowly come back to their Hulstrian heritage, especially about Hosianism!

It would just be like in IRL USSR, where religion started to come back after the end of the communist regime.

Here it's the same thing.

LONG LIVE TO THE HULSTERREICHER REPUBLIK!


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Re: Cultural Creation Thread - Update here!

Postby Jalal Al-e-Ahmad » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:12 pm

This seems like the most appropriate place to ramble about my plans for Beiteynu, the religion of Yuedism, and all that jazz. It'll help organize and redirect my frequently flaky mind and thoughts and allow other players to pull from, add to, or totally disagree with whatever ideas I should hammer into the culture of the country and religion.

First, let me say as an old(ish) player returning, the Wiki is pretty solid. The entry for Beiteynu and Yeudism is well written and fluid and just all together good stuff. Beiteynu is an impoverished Israel analog. Yeudism is Judaism. Culture and language and such all seem to follow similar parallels, which is good. But I want to write the details, the common Yeudi passages and sayings and cultural mores and yadda yadda yadda. Whatsmore, Beiteynu should be a little more in shambles than the Israel it's based off - I can't find any Beiteynu history where it was a glorified aircraft carrier for wealthy Squibbelian countries, or a dominated treasure of a huge Majatran Empire. Also, are we to assume, like Israel, Beiteynu is the host of the three most Holy sites in Hosianism, Ahmadism (love that name, btw), and Yeudism? Cause that'd make for some RP things that would be sure fun.

And so, yeah, I'm gonna be getting into that. Also bringing back the Felinists, who disappeared in my absence but are too damn weird and seemingly unnecessary and therefore must exist. The Felinist Pharaoh will play a big part in early Yeudi folklore and myth. And I'd like to reintroduce the Manoush, those turnip gypsies that were in Dolgava last I heard.

So, for now I'm going to be playing around with Labor-Zionism and Yeudi history and culture. Also, this big world war thing Polites and Kubrick are planning with others (?), I plan to drag the newly Yeudi-dominated sand wasteland into that whole mess as well. Cause religion.
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