Bleeding Hearts Lonely Nations

[Captain-Socialist]

I'm really torn between this and continuing my CP creation/update spree.

If a male Emperor sits on the throne in a generation or two, is there room for an Imperial Harem made of Majatran slaves? Eilomax would love to expand its business into Dovani.

Well, the Princess Borussia is using the Jeblic war to create a private army of Majatran Mamluks, so that angles already open in a way.

You know how Mamluks have a tendency to get too uppity.

[NotJimHalpert]

There are just 2 parties in Vanuku so some more activity would be nice! As a leftist party, we'd appreciate another like minded party, but really any more activity there would be appreciated. The next elections are Jan 3826 so there's time for another party to make a foothold too. To simplify this listing:

Job description: Another party to join the 2 at Vanuku

Requirement: An active player

No political preference here, but another leftist party would be cool.

[Martinulus]

I'm a bit saddened by the total lack of active roleplaying liberal democratic nations. I am aware that some players have described such nations as "boring", but I don't quite agree (and I'm also rather saddened by what CS and friends are doing to H&GS).

Anyone wish to join me in building an interesting multicultural liberal democracy in Dranland? Monarchy is an unavailable option as Ryouta holds the rights to the House of Ryeo, so I thought a multiple Swiss-style head of state by committee would be interesting.

[Zongxian]

I'm a bit saddened by the total lack of active roleplaying liberal democratic nations. I am aware that some players have described such nations as "boring", but I don't quite agree (and I'm also rather saddened by what CS and friends are doing to H&GS).

Anyone wish to join me in building an interesting multicultural liberal democracy in Dranland? Monarchy is an unavailable option as Ryouta holds the rights to the House of Ryeo, so I thought a multiple Swiss-style head of state by committee would be interesting.

If you want a multicultural liberal democracy, go pick somewhere else. A lot has changed in Dankuk and it is absurd to dwell on the past. The cultural protocols must be respected. Seriously..... why can't you people just fucking let there be Asian nations with their own unique systems of governments... instead of turning them all into Western-modeled "multicultural" democracies. And it's not just Asian nations, the same could be said of African and other non-white nations in this game. There are so many countries, yet you all seem to have a fetish for multiculturalism. And in your quest for creating these stupid multicultural liberal democracies, you dismantle non-white majority nations.... And don't even get me started on your obsession with Septembrism. Seriously... why the fuck would that be a relevant ideology in Dankuk. How unoriginal...

But at this point, I have better things to do than Particracy.

Go ahead and rape Dankuk with your liberal democracy, multiculturalism, and whatever the hell else you transfer in from your losses in Gao-Soto. RIP Dankuk.

[SelucianCrusader]

I agree that there should be more diversity in Terra. I miss the Draddwyr of Dranland (Spaniards are meh, they already exist in several places) Right now, the sole Draddwyr state is Aloria, and that's a noob hotbed.

..which kinda gets me to the point I wanted to make. I loved RP in Dranland before, even though it was a pretty generic state, because it had great lore and many quality players. The problem is that liberal democracies tend to attract noobs who make RP impossible, disrespects the lore and often don't even care about the forums. Anyone remember "libreal"? In dictatorships these can be locked out through the usual early election exploit or just setting quotas to 1-5-72. In democracies none of this is possible. RP in a liberal democracy can be fantastic, if enough quality players manage to gather somewhere, but there needs to be enough to make noobs a stable minority, if anything.

Oh, and qualm down. I seriously thought it was weird to import Septembrism like that since it doesn't really make sense without it's Crownlander context. But like, hey, after your little ethnic cleansing it's not much of a stretch. You ass-raped the protocols in the first place, and now some people wants to restore what was lost. I seriously don't get why you had to force ethnic homogeneity upon Dranland just because Korea is like that IRL. Korea and Japan are pretty much the only such countries IRL. Had I managed to create a Draddwyr state instead it would probably had been a minority rule, just like I used to do it in Pontesi. It's funny and creates a lot of fun opportunities for RP. Being a Hitler just ruins things and makes them stagnant - well conform.

[Reddy]

As another Dranish 'veteran', I wish to express my strong support for the changes that Ryouta brought into place after doing a lot of excellent RP to justify these changes. These changes have allowed Dankuk to strongly develop culturally and RP wise. Back in the multi-cultural days, there was relatively little cultural development of any kind (yes I was part of it) Dankuk's culture has faced a number of frontal assaults from some who just can't let non European countries be. I have a little theory that multicultural countries tend to develop less evenly culturally, as most players tend to be personally attached to one culture/system.

Dovani is the non European continent in this game and it was always absurd that you had the old Dranland, Lourenne and Kazulia there. I understand there was colonisation but why couldn't it be more like RL colonisation where the natives may adopt certain colonial cultural elements but otherwise retain their own cultures? I also want to say that I'm starting to think that decolonisation might be a mistake as it is one of the few areas with many vibrant and unusual cultures that are mostly inaccessible to the monstrous regiment of generic warriors.

I'm not in any way accusing the new establishment in Dankuk of cultural degradation. It's too premature to judge them and the three players are some of the best and most experienced players I know. Between them they probably have like 20 years of gaming experience.

I'm a bit saddened by the total lack of active roleplaying liberal democratic nations.

I don't think that it's very surprising that liberal democracies tend to be less active in RP, the problem is and has always been: if you establish a fun liberal democracy, less active common travellers and trolls show up and wear you down, focusing on manipulating game mechanics to win elections instead of playing fun, unique parties. And of course gathering the consensus required for RP in 8 or 10 party country is just tiresome That at least was my experience in the old Dranland.

[Martinulus]

I'm a bit saddened by the total lack of active roleplaying liberal democratic nations. I am aware that some players have described such nations as "boring", but I don't quite agree (and I'm also rather saddened by what CS and friends are doing to H&GS).

Anyone wish to join me in building an interesting multicultural liberal democracy in Dranland? Monarchy is an unavailable option as Ryouta holds the rights to the House of Ryeo, so I thought a multiple Swiss-style head of state by committee would be interesting.

If you want a multicultural liberal democracy, go pick somewhere else. A lot has changed in Dankuk and it is absurd to dwell on the past. The cultural protocols must be respected. Seriously..... why can't you people just fucking let there be Asian nations with their own unique systems of governments... instead of turning them all into Western-modeled "multicultural" democracies. And it's not just Asian nations, the same could be said of African and other non-white nations in this game. There are so many countries, yet you all seem to have a fetish for multiculturalism. And in your quest for creating these stupid multicultural liberal democracies, you dismantle non-white majority nations.... And don't even get me started on your obsession with Septembrism. Seriously... why the fuck would that be a relevant ideology in Dankuk. How unoriginal...

But at this point, I have better things to do than Particracy.

Go ahead and rape Dankuk with your liberal democracy, multiculturalism, and whatever the hell else you transfer in from your losses in Gao-Soto. RIP Dankuk.

I am extremely shocked by your frankly hateful response. Go bugger off to whatever better things you have to do and grow the hell up while you're at it.

Besides, you and your Asian-centric friends can be accused of exactly the same thing in Hulstria and Gao-Soto. You are basically celebrating your hatred of Septembrism there and demolishing hundreds of IG years of careful RP that logically followed from the preceding eras.

I'll have you know that I bloody well told anyone who would listen, including you, that I do not intend to tamper with the cultural protocols, that I think that the majority of my party leadership should be culturally Korean, and that I think that Dankuk should now be the English name of the nation in translation because as a rule I respect the RPed history of a nation (in fact a remark made by CS during his Zen Fascist regime in H&GS can be credited with giving me the idea of the RP that created Septembrist H&GS). I seriously don't get why people think that having one culture dominate is the only way to have a legit RP. It's certainly the easiest way, but it's not the only way and in my opinion it's a sign of the poverty of RP that people are tending towards monoculturalism everywhere, especially in Dovani which by now is pretty much Asia despite originally being a mix between Asia and the Americas. I call that deterioration.

Oh, and if I am Western-centric it is entirely unintentional. Liu Che can vouch for me trying to improve my portrayal of the Asian cultures in H&GS through endless questions, it's just that I, being a Westerner and a full-time Political Scientist, am not and never will be a Sinologist, Japanologist or scholar of any Far Asian culture. I don't have the intuitive knowledge you guys have and it's very hard to acquire it from sources that are accessible enough (Wikipedia being inadequate here) for me to fit into my schedule.

[Martinulus]

Oh, and re: the Dankukin Septembrists. Septembrism is not, of course, an ideology that is directly relevant. However, the way the mechanics have worked and the RP has gone, the state has had a rather rough and chaotic time. What the formation of my new "Septembrist Party" represents is a few politically-correct intellectuals reasoning that this instability had to do with the position of minorities, and looking abroad for examples, one obviously arrives at what up until recently (until, as I accept, it collapsed in indifference) seemed to be a working model in Hulstria and Gao-Soto. It is not supposed to be a one-on-one copy of H&GS Septembrism, but rather a new ideology based on the historical example of it which at one point sent waves across Dovani that reached even Indrala and certainly impacted what was then Dranland (remember the Minzhu Dynasty starting out on very good terms with the Septembrist-oriented Okatori Emperors of Gao-Soto). Actually, multiculturalism is not the right word to describe the way Septembrism deals with minorities, come to think of it: consociationalism would probably be a better word. The ideological goal of Septembrism was never a merger of cultures, more like creating a stable situation in which those two coexist alongside eachother without either trying to dominate. It originated in H&GS because people were fed up with constant episodes of hostility between Western and Eastern cultural groups causing democratic breakdown and repression; since Dankuk has undergone a similar period now (what with the weird Buchan thing and the "Revolution" I encountered when I registered there), I figure some Kyo intellectuals (like my Professor Ryu) would have similar feelings. However, it's going to be different. In H&GS, Septembrism was pretty much the state ideology and almost an informal precondition for being a legitimate party, but it can never be that sort of national myth in Dankuk where there wasn't the joint struggle against a dictatorship that sparked the whole thing in H&GS. Basically, in Dankuk it's going to be just another ideology held by a rather catch-all party, without any pretense of being more than that.

[Captain-Socialist]

Wow, calm down people! "Esu isuto yu ain shupīru!"*

Just to clarify, Mikuni-Harusutoria is not "just a Asian nation" and it is certainly not a monoculture. I actively encourage parties to have minority identities and have gone out of my way to create new minorities (I intend to have "Mikuni-Majatran" soon, they will have to be something like 0.5% of the population at first but still). The new culture is actually what I consider to be logical conclusion of the previous cultural mix. The ways things were done before was that it just had two totally separate cultures co-existing without being the slightest bit influenced by the other, whereas now you have a more nuanced and distinct "Hulstro-Mikun" culture. Hulstro-Mikun language is actually basically a dialect of German, more-so than it is of Japanese. Sure, the politics is a bit of a clean break but this is a game entirely based around regime change so I won't apologise for that. There are no moderator enforced "constitutional protocols" yet, thank god.

I wouldn't necessarily say you have to invent a whole new language, but please consider compromise and creativity instead of an endless tug of war between one transplanted real world culture and another.

*"It's only a game! (es ist nur ein Spiel)" in Hulstro-Mikun

[Captain-Socialist]

btw, Martinulus, do you have control of the Rothingren-Traugotts? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to them remaining politically active.