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[SelucianCrusader]

The fact is you never have acted cordial to me and for the longest time have directed attacks towards me. I put forward a response of my own for once and you go off on a rant about rules, crying moderation for help all the while you are sending me messages in game behind the public's back throwing insults at me and claiming I have brain tumors. You are the same sort of people I had to deal with on a daily basis while I was moderator and you are the same sort of insolent person that has driven away so many before me on this game. You have no real arguments, can't debate anything with any facts or sense. You talk a lot of shit and when someone calls you out on it you get defensive and get personal.

As for the IML, again you don't understand anything about us. The IML advocates tradition, order. We are of itself the "Old Guard" who seeks to maintain already established monarchies. If we just recognize any old dictator who arises then we wouldn't have order or any organization for that matter. I'm sure if the Norwegian monarch was overthrown and replaced by a dictator the British, Danish monarchs for example won't recognize it nor would the real International Monarchist League.

As far as I can remember, I have only directed one sort of "attack" against you before this circus (which started when you hurled quite hurtful statements at me), and that was when you called another player a "goon". Which I frankly think was quire understandable.

And there came another malicious claim from your behalf. If you think I'm that bad sort of person, shouldn't you try to be a better person?



It's not that I don't get the logic behind it. I'm just bothered by it, since I think it hampers creativity and scares new players, who want to be able to implement their ideas. An organisation for authoritarians, dictators and alike would be one thing, but as long as the IML continues with it woody rules on legitimacy, it will never and should never be the dominant force IG. And it gets a bit personal because many IML-players are so personal about preserving their creations exactly as they created them (which is frankly, quite nerdy), considering themselves an elite and challenging the rightful authority of the Moderation when something doesn't suit them (Amazeroth is an exemption, and I'm sure there are more).

[MrBean111]

No matter how you want to spin it the fact remains for some time now you have been here on the forums attacking me to the point of harassment while I've been silent. This has been going on for over a year. Even now as I prepare to leave you still can't let go of your hatred and if anything that is sad. You may fool yourself by saying you only attacked me once and you're the victim but you're not fooling the rest of us. You only continue to bury a hole yourself and only prove my point on your behavior. I finally call you out and you go off crying to moderation, playing victim all while sending me personal messages again filled with insults and posting about I have a brain tumor. You sir are nothing but a troll, a bad one at that.

[SelucianCrusader]

No matter how you want to spin it the fact remains for some time now you have been here on the forums attacking me to the point of harassment while I've been silent. This has been going on for over a year. Even now as I prepare to leave you still can't let go of your hatred and if anything that is sad.

You started all this by insulting me in a way worthy only of a troll. That's why I reacted. Either you are overly sensitive, or your memory fails you, or both, but the only time I mentioned you in an ill-tempered way was when you personally attacked a friend of mine, calling him a goon. The hatred you speak of is your own, not mine.

You sir are nothing but a troll, a bad one at that.

Ditto, MrBean. Ditto.

[SelucianCrusader]

The PM MrBean111 is talking about is this:

OOC: It was a pleasure to read your latest thread. I am fairly sure that this is exactly the change you need in your life. Don't worry, I'm not offended by you calling me a schoolboy. If anything, I feel compassion for you. You have wasted your life on this game to the point of losing nearly everything when you are owned in Particracy.

I hope that you will try to start up a life for yourself now, IRL. As a faithful catholic I shouldn't be giving you tips on how to get the opportunity of doing mortal sin. But please, if you're out on a date, don't try to impress on the girl by telling her of your accomplishments on Particracy. Just don't.

Good luck with getting a life!
/Zeth

Ps. I hope you have the self-distance to appreciate this: http://lusipurr.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... nerds.jpeg

Yes, it was a quite insulting PM. Yes, it wasn't written in a very sensible or reconcilable way. But consider that I woke up finding this insult in the beginning of this thread:

Really now the only people who populate Particracy either don't care about the forums/wiki (don't contribute anything), raid nations they couldn't do years ago or stalk the forums like little school children like SelucianCrusader posting meaningless things to the point where when I read his posts I lose IQ points because he is that unintelligent.

And I think it's quite understandable why I was a bit upset and indignant when I wrote that.

[Siggon Kristov]

Regardless of all the world we may have put into a nation, it does not ultimately make it ours. Granted, we may have a large influence on the happenings and so forth, but it does not belong to us like some plaything.

Exactly my point!

It's just a game.
The thing that I like about the game is that unlike typical political simulation games, this allows you to compete for power within the country itself. You can't do that in CN or NS. If you want a country all for yourself, write a book, or play one of those games and build that history. Particracy is about competition for power within the country you play in.

Sure, international RP is fun, but the main thing I like is that unlike typical political simulation games, you don't have unlimited power and total control of the laws.

[Mr.Yankees]

I agree, it's just a game. This thread should be about paying some respect for a long standing member of the community. We did not always see eye to eye, as Mr.Bean can confirm, but I respected him and he respected me. I think we can all agree, whether you like him or not, that he made some contributions to this game. I just don't get why we cannot keep it civil here. My advice would be that we all move on.

To change subjects: Mr. Bean, what is your involment in politics?

[SelucianCrusader]

I agree, it's just a game. This thread should be about paying some respect for a long standing member of the community. We did not always see eye to eye, as Mr.Bean can confirm, but I respected him and he respected me. I think we can all agree, whether you like him or not, that he made some contributions to this game. I just don't get why we cannot keep it civil here. My advice would be that we all move on.

To change subjects: Mr. Bean, what is your involment in politics?

If it's the UKIP, I hope he's a lot less arrogant and vainglorious IRL, because I quite like that party and want it to do well.

He doesn't deserve my respect. He has continuously offended me, and many others who contribute to this game without going all hogen-mogen nuts when the status quo isn't preserved. It's a sad thing that he couldn't integrate his work with the rest of the community, but some people are just unable cooperate or respect different opinions. He's still trying his best to destroy good RP, and I am not ashamed to feel a bit of benevolent malice when he is made to taste his own medicine. Frankly, I think the guy needs to grow up and learn some basic sociology and/or ethics. If you are cooperative, people will mostly be cooperative and in return. If you behave like an arrogant ass, basing your arguments in rancorously gloating about how great you are yourself, people will usually not be so cooperative in return.

Alas, I strongly doubt he's truly leaving. He's not going to delete his IG-party. It's a well-known fact that most "I'm leaving"-threads in most internet communities are mostly a circumlocution of "Hai guys I wants lots of ur attention because Im soooo imba and u dont realize it zomg.". The same logic actually goes for people who threaten to commit suicide, albeit that's obviously a lot more selfish and immoral. Anyhow, my point is; he's not leaving us, so keep your handkerchief in your pocket.

[Captain-Socialist]

Look, I don't know exactly why you've got it in for MrBrean but you seem to be using my actions and those of the other Gao-Showan players as a casus belli to declare a flame war on the forum, which frankly I don't appreciate much. I also don't know why MrBean thinks what's happening in Hulstria is some kind of personal revenge attack against him, which it isn't. I fully intend that Hulstria will retain a Beanish heritage in the future, just with Gao-Soto playing a more prominent role. I know how annoying it is to feel your additions to a nations history are being ignored, as my attempts to establish an interesting culture in Vorona have consistently been.

[SelucianCrusader]

I don't need a casus belli to declare a flame war or anything like that. If anything, I don't need a flame war. Things are already progressing very well in the community, with Fred and many of his likes leaving (though UniSocAll is a sad loss, of course). I doubt think the community has been this creativity friendly for a long time and I'm happy to see that you are doing something creative with Gao Soto.

MrBean grossly insulted me in the original post, thus my presence here. How he tried to ruin the Treaty of Miyako is one good example of what kind of player he is.

[Farsun]

Can we close this? Its just stupid now.