We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

General discussions about the Particracy web game.

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Siggon Kristov » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:40 pm

EgeDoruk wrote:Lodamun is open to anyone. Please come to Lodamun and reinstate our president and chairman. That is so UNIQUE that everyone will love it.

It's not about restoring my system. I'd be fine with any system except one with a directly-elected President.
Also, our HoS (the Chairman) didn't play the same role that Particracy Presidents typically play. When the HoS title is "President" - the HoG is usually overshadowed, which is why we had our President as HoG. The President called the shots; he was the executive HoG, and he wasn't directly-elected. The Chairman was just a placeholder, and if you notice, he didn't play any role in Lodamun's politics. I was planning to remove the Chairman entirely[url][/url], to just have the President, but the President still wouldn't be directly-elected.
Check out my latest Particracy project, and feel free to discuss it in the forums.
User avatar
Siggon Kristov
 
Posts: 3204
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:35 am
Location: Fort Karav, Kregon

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Dynastia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:59 pm

If people can't directly elect their president, it's not a true democracy. It's oligarchy.
User avatar
Dynastia
 
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:44 am

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Siggon Kristov » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:02 am

Dynastia wrote:If people can't directly elect their president, it's not a true democracy. It's oligarchy.

It's still an interesting system, and in a nation with a lot of parties (like Dranland), it could work well.
Check out my latest Particracy project, and feel free to discuss it in the forums.
User avatar
Siggon Kristov
 
Posts: 3204
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:35 am
Location: Fort Karav, Kregon

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Afrocentric » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:57 am

Siggon Kristov wrote:
Dynastia wrote:If people can't directly elect their president, it's not a true democracy. It's oligarchy.

It's still an interesting system, and in a nation with a lot of parties (like Dranland), it could work well.


They're too boring to try that. They prefer posting 15 articles a day about their President; not their oligarchy.
Image
Image
Image

Urban Party of Kirlawa, Kirlawa - Inactive
Democratic Reform Party, Talmoria - Inactive
Labour Party, Saridan - Inactive
Urban Party of Rutania, Rutania - Inactive

http://www.soundcloud.com/djtechnotikofficial
User avatar
Afrocentric
 
Posts: 2377
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:20 am
Location: Maryland / Rutania

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby EgeDoruk » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:59 am

Presidency will be unifying position, no real power, just ceremonial. Lodamun will be federacy and federacies need unifying figure. I am working on a bill that will give significant power to states. If your problem is just with title of President, offer me a better one and I will replace it.
''I never dared to be radical when young
For fear it would make me conservative when old.''
Robert Frost

Image
User avatar
EgeDoruk
 
Posts: 883
Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:58 pm
Location: Ankara,Turkey/Dranland

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Afrocentric » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:52 pm

Honestly, I like what I've done in Rutania. The President and Prime Minister co-lead the executive branch and have a limited set of powers. I've never been a fan of the ceremonial HOS w/ the HOG having all of the power, it just seems weird to me.
Image
Image
Image

Urban Party of Kirlawa, Kirlawa - Inactive
Democratic Reform Party, Talmoria - Inactive
Labour Party, Saridan - Inactive
Urban Party of Rutania, Rutania - Inactive

http://www.soundcloud.com/djtechnotikofficial
User avatar
Afrocentric
 
Posts: 2377
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:20 am
Location: Maryland / Rutania

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Siggon Kristov » Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:17 am

Afrocentric wrote:Honestly, I like what I've done in Rutania. The President and Prime Minister co-lead the executive branch and have a limited set of powers. I've never been a fan of the ceremonial HOS w/ the HOG having all of the power, it just seems weird to me.

Especially when the HoS has the title "President" and is expected to do something... That's why I had "President" as the HoG and something else as the HoS. I think the President/PM pair fits Rutania enough, but it doesn't mean that 21 other nations need to have it.

EgeDoruk wrote:Presidency will be unifying position, no real power, just ceremonial.Lodamun will be federacy and federacies need unifying figure.

Please don't come with this federacy crap; in a federacy, only a few local governments have power while some are more dependent on the central government. In a federacy, not all local governments have equal control over their own affairs. Some would have power devolved to them while some wouldn't. If you were referring to a federation or confederation, I want you to pay attention to Switzerland. Who is the single unifying figure of Switzerland?

EgeDoruk wrote:I am working on a bill that will give significant power to states. If your problem is just with title of President, offer me a better one and I will replace it.

Again, a federacy doesn't allow all states to have significant powers. A federacy devolves powers to some states and keeps some under the control of the central government. A good example would be the Beluz Union, where there were 6 states. 1 state (Iliathar) had almost no powers devolved to them. 4 states had significant powers devolved to them. 1 state (Keymon) had all powers devolved to them. This was asymmetrical federation, a real federacy. A symmetrical federation, where all local governments have the same amount of power devolved to them, isn't a federacy.
I don't see a problem with the title of "Chairman" - a title like "President" will cause the HoG to be overshadowed. Also, a single "Gubernatorial Congress" headed by a single "Governor of the 5 nations" doesn't imply federalism at all. Why do we need 2 figures for unification? Why can't there just be 5 Governors and 1 President? Or 5 Presidents and a President-General or Chairman?
Check out my latest Particracy project, and feel free to discuss it in the forums.
User avatar
Siggon Kristov
 
Posts: 3204
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:35 am
Location: Fort Karav, Kregon

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby MichaelReilly » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:13 pm

NEWS ALERT!

Darnussia becomes latest in line of countries to have a President and Chancellor combination.

Even more alarmingly, the new state is called the Republic of Darnussia.

Hooray for realism!

:lol:
Down with this sort of thing
User avatar
MichaelReilly
 
Posts: 1127
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:39 pm
Location: The boy from the County Hell

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby Khaler » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:31 pm

MichaelReilly wrote:NEWS ALERT!

Darnussia becomes latest in line of countries to have a President and Chancellor combination.

Even more alarmingly, the new state is called the Republic of Darnussia.

Hooray for realism!

:lol:


I have 1/3, so nuh. ;)

But a rebel government trying to take over, sure why not.
Be on your OLD GUARD, stand firm in the faith!
-1 Selucians 16:13
User avatar
Khaler
 
Posts: 688
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:19 pm
Location: Great Democratic Republic of Khaleristan, a member of the caring and loving Russian Federation!

Re: We need less Presidents and Prime Ministers!

Postby MichaelReilly » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:48 pm

Khaler wrote:
MichaelReilly wrote:NEWS ALERT!

Darnussia becomes latest in line of countries to have a President and Chancellor combination.

Even more alarmingly, the new state is called the Republic of Darnussia.

Hooray for realism!

:lol:


I have 1/3, so nuh. ;)

But a rebel government trying to take over, sure why not.


Better start your fightback boyo. 8-)
Down with this sort of thing
User avatar
MichaelReilly
 
Posts: 1127
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:39 pm
Location: The boy from the County Hell

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest