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Party Organisation overhaul

Postby fondue_knight » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:25 am

Hello,

I have a couple of suggestions for the party organisations features, but they are seperate of each other (ie. if one is implemented, the other one isn't important)

1. First cull all inactive members, and repeat regularly.

2. My second idea could either replace the party organisation feature, or be a new seperate feature. Maybe a new 'party category' feature, which has a limited numbers of broad-based categories such as 'socialist', 'conservative', 'liberal', 'green', 'religious', 'regionalist' etc and each party can join just one grouping. This will create international party groupings. I think this feature will aid international relations between parties. It will make it easier to know who to support and communicate with in other countries. At the moment, when I think about establishing relations with parties in other countries, I have to go on their page, look at all their political positions, look at the bills they propose, just to decide whether they might be open to working with my party.

If you look at the EU PArliament for example, all national parties (and there are loads of them) just join one of around 8 EU groups - one for socialists, one for conservatives, one for eurosceptics, one for greens etc. I just think it would be an fun feature that could grow more interesting international alliances between parties.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby EEL123 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:45 am

That'll probably require a coding change. Which means that it's unlikely to happen.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby Siggon Kristov » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:44 am

fondue_knight wrote:Maybe a new 'party category' feature, which has a limited numbers of broad-based categories such as 'socialist', 'conservative', 'liberal', 'green', 'religious', 'regionalist' etc and each party can join just one grouping.

fondue_knight wrote:If you look at the EU Parliament for example, all national parties (and there are loads of them) just join one of around 8 EU groups - one for socialists, one for conservatives, one for eurosceptics, one for greens etc. I just think it would be an fun feature that could grow more interesting international alliances between parties.


I totally disagree.
I can't be Socialist and Liberal?
I can't be Socialist and Green?
I can't be Liberal and Green?

fondue_knight wrote:I think this feature will aid international relations between parties. It will make it easier to know who to support and communicate with in other countries.

No. I rarely base my alliance, with foreign parties, on their ideologies.
Parties, with similar liberal/secular policies to mine, have supported the overthrow of my characters by forming alliances with restrictive/theocratic parties. This happened in 2 totally different cases. The only way, that alliances would be based solely on policies, is if players want to get a certain treaty (with 20+ articles) passed. Most of the party organizations, that are based on policies, don't really have strong political ties among their members that go as far as using military forces to protect each other.

fondue_knight wrote:At the moment, when I think about establishing relations with parties in other countries, I have to go on their page, look at all their political positions, look at the bills they propose, just to decide whether they might be open to working with my party.

Not me. I just look for someone promoting my international interests, not for someone who is promoting laws in their country that are similar to mine.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby catparty » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:55 am

fondue_knight wrote:
2. My second idea could either replace the party organisation feature, or be a new seperate feature. Maybe a new 'party category' feature, which has a limited numbers of broad-based categories such as 'socialist', 'conservative', 'liberal', 'green', 'religious', 'regionalist' etc and each party can join just one grouping. This will create international party groupings. I think this feature will aid international relations between parties. It will make it easier to know who to support and communicate with in other countries. At the moment, when I think about establishing relations with parties in other countries, I have to go on their page, look at all their political positions, look at the bills they propose, just to decide whether they might be open to working with my party.

If you look at the EU PArliament for example, all national parties (and there are loads of them) just join one of around 8 EU groups - one for socialists, one for conservatives, one for eurosceptics, one for greens etc. I just think it would be an fun feature that could grow more interesting international alliances between parties.


I strongly agree with this idea. Such explicit groupings would make it much easier for us to figure out what everyone is trying to accomplish policywise.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby Jalal Al-e-Ahmad » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:02 am

It would make it much, much easier if everyone simply wrote out (RPed) their policies and decisions. Then, organizations would simply add flavor and background to an already defined party personality.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby Siggon Kristov » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:03 pm

catparty wrote:
fondue_knight wrote:2. My second idea could either replace the party organisation feature, or be a new seperate feature. Maybe a new 'party category' feature, which has a limited numbers of broad-based categories such as 'socialist', 'conservative', 'liberal', 'green', 'religious', 'regionalist' etc and each party can join just one grouping. This will create international party groupings. I think this feature will aid international relations between parties. It will make it easier to know who to support and communicate with in other countries. At the moment, when I think about establishing relations with parties in other countries, I have to go on their page, look at all their political positions, look at the bills they propose, just to decide whether they might be open to working with my party.

If you look at the EU PArliament for example, all national parties (and there are loads of them) just join one of around 8 EU groups - one for socialists, one for conservatives, one for eurosceptics, one for greens etc. I just think it would be an fun feature that could grow more interesting international alliances between parties.

I strongly agree with this idea. Such explicit groupings would make it much easier for us to figure out what everyone is trying to accomplish policywise.


I don't want to be categorized and have my policies expected or stereotyped, especially to "just one" label. If we could be in multiple categories, it would be better, but I would also like to see categories for the type, and not only ideology, of the parties. For example, some are militia/guerrilla groups, some can be protest groups, some can be dynasties, and there can be conventional political parties like most are.
I like my party to be a dynasty because I get to push my personal political opinions, not any that abide to a strict mainstream ideology.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby EEL123 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:04 am

Siggon Kristov wrote:I don't want to be categorized and have my policies expected or stereotyped, especially to "just one" label.
Yes, that is true. We seem to have too much of a penchant for putting parties into simple categories that may or may not accurately reflect their ideologies.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby catparty » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:55 pm

Siggon Kristov wrote:I like my party to be a dynasty because I get to push my personal political opinions, not any that abide to a strict mainstream ideology.


We could classify that as being a personalist political party - one where the voters/MPs follow the leadership of their top officials as opposed to following an ideology.
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby Siggon Kristov » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:27 am

catparty wrote:
Siggon Kristov wrote:I like my party to be a dynasty because I get to push my personal political opinions, not any that abide to a strict mainstream ideology.

We could classify that as being a personalist political party - one where the voters/MPs follow the leadership of their top officials as opposed to following an ideology.


Nice, but what would you "classify" me as when I play a Liberal Socialist Party?
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Re: Party Organisation overhaul

Postby catparty » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:00 am

Assuming that the term Liberal is being used to modify Socialist, then that presumes that the party is primarily Socialist, so I would classify your party as a Socialist party in that example.
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