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Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:38 pm

Let's have a thread were making a rant is the topic. :D

I start:

When will "newbies" (I'm trying to be polite here) stop raiding Davostan?
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Re: Rant of today

Postby MichaelReilly » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:53 pm

When it stops being so bizarre.

It brings it upon itself.
Down with this sort of thing
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Re: Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:22 pm

I guess some people can't stop being annoyed by things that leap out from the rest..

I'd really want it's gothic/evil theme to be culturally protected somehow, but sadly ol' IDR doesn't seem to be much for actual RP.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Afrocentric » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:35 pm

Well it looks like the noobs there are about to make it generic. I don't understand why IDR doesn't just treaty lock the nation to begin with.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:18 pm

Afrocentric wrote:Well it looks like the noobs there are about to make it generic. I don't understand why IDR doesn't just treaty lock the nation to begin with.

Indeed. He'd just have to bother logging in, passing some bills and locking again now and then, if that was the case.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:19 pm

What is so objectionable about the reforms going on in Davostag? If I have any opinion at all about it, I'm pleased to see some activity and competition there. Lets not knock the 2 new (or newer) players there. They're playing the game. I hope they'll enjoy playing the game, and I hope, over time, they will become more immersed in it - though of course, that is up to them.

Davostag periodically attracts new players who are enticed by the prospect of overturning its Satanic constitutional paraphernalia. From time to time they succeed, though IDR is patient enough to wait for them to either lose or leave, and eventually puts things back to the way they were before.

I can't understand why anyone would think it is a great idea to shut down a nation through the early election technique, treaty locking, reducing the proposal quotas to the minimum, etc.. What is so wonderful about a nation with Satanic-themed constitutional titles, but where hardly anything ever happens and there is no competition?
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Re: Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:44 pm

Aquinas wrote:What is so objectionable about the reforms going on in Davostag? If I have any opinion at all about it, I'm pleased to see some activity and competition there. Lets not knock the 2 new (or newer) players there. They're playing the game. I hope they'll enjoy playing the game, and I hope, over time, they will become more immersed in it - though of course, that is up to them.

Davostag periodically attracts new players who are enticed by the prospect of overturning its Satanic constitutional paraphernalia. From time to time they succeed, though IDR is patient enough to wait for them to either lose or leave, and eventually puts things back to the way they were before.
Because it takes away a slice of the diversity of the game's setting with it. I can see something positive in a raid if it improves something, such as the one that led to the restoration of Gao-Soto, which was creative and didn't exactly destroy what came before. But this hardly doesn't fit into that category. And the idea of marauding bands of newbies wearing havoc on the lore doesn't exactly make me feel comfortable. If you want to add to what went before that's great, but it shouldn't come at the expense of extinguishing of what came before.

Sadly, even for being genericists (is that a word?), the level of RP in Davostan is quite disillusioning, to put it mildly: "SRP, this is the stab in the back.", "ha ha", "ha ha". (wasn't one "ha ha" enough?)

Aquinas wrote:I can't understand why anyone would think it is a great idea to shut down a nation through the early election technique, treaty locking, reducing the proposal quotas to the minimum, etc.. What is so wonderful about a nation with Satanic-themed constitutional titles, but where hardly anything ever happens and there is no competition?
Now this is something I see as unfortunate as well, as Davostag's setting could provide great opportunities for RP and lore-development. I do remember how IDR once said he's like to compete with another player who respected the general theme of the nation, and I'd love to see that as well. I had a party in the region that I put some effort into (the Death Knights Brotherhood), but sadly, I am not allowed to be at three or four places at a time. :mrgreen:
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:29 am

Selcrus, you once caricatured the International Monarchist League as this:

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"We're greatly enjoying ourselves. Our countries are perfect. Everything is all the same all the time. So fun!"


Have you considered the possibility that after all these years in the game, you are beginning to resemble this caricature a little yourself?

SelucianCrusader wrote:Sadly, even for being genericists (is that a word?), the level of RP in Davostan is quite disillusioning, to put it mildly: "SRP, this is the stab in the back.", "ha ha", "ha ha". (wasn't one "ha ha" enough?)


From what I have seen, the newer parties have not engineered any particularly in-depth RP, but at the same time, I don't really see how they've destroyed anything, since there wasn't any (or much) RP going on previously anyway. They're not entirely "generic" either. Both parties clearly have a pro-worker/left-wing/communist agenda. The new nation title they are introducing includes the term "Socialist" in it. They are passing a Bill to execute the Unholy Satanilic Emperor, which is sort of exciting, I guess. Personally I would encourage them to develop their RP'ing further, but I don't see how they've done anything bad. At worst, all they are doing is replacing a bland Satanic theme with a bland socialist/communist theme.

SelucianCrusader wrote:Davostag's setting could provide great opportunities for RP and lore-development. I do remember how IDR once said he's like to compete with another player who respected the general theme of the nation, and I'd love to see that as well.


Speaking from a personal viewpoint, I would like to have seen the Satanic religion/culture of Davostog developed much deeper, backed up with some good wiki material and Cultural Protocols.

SelucianCrusader wrote:sadly, I am not allowed to be at three or four places at a time


A great pity. Three or four Selcrus's roaming around would make Terra a much more interesting place :).
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Afrocentric » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:04 am

Aquinas wrote:From what I have seen, the newer parties have not engineered any particularly in-depth RP, but at the same time, I don't really see how they've destroyed anything, since there wasn't any (or much) RP going on previously anyway. They're not entirely "generic" either. Both parties clearly have a pro-worker/left-wing/communist agenda. The new nation title they are introducing includes the term "Socialist" in it. They are passing a Bill to execute the Unholy Satanilic Emperor, which is sort of exciting, I guess. Personally I would encourage them to develop their RP'ing further, but I don't see how they've done anything bad. At worst, all they are doing is replacing a bland Satanic theme with a bland socialist/communist theme.


The name of the legislature is called "Congress"; in one of the bills that failed, they wanted to rename the HOS, "President". They have every intention of turning that country generic and if given the chance they probably would.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:26 am

Afrocentric wrote:
Aquinas wrote:From what I have seen, the newer parties have not engineered any particularly in-depth RP, but at the same time, I don't really see how they've destroyed anything, since there wasn't any (or much) RP going on previously anyway. They're not entirely "generic" either. Both parties clearly have a pro-worker/left-wing/communist agenda. The new nation title they are introducing includes the term "Socialist" in it. They are passing a Bill to execute the Unholy Satanilic Emperor, which is sort of exciting, I guess. Personally I would encourage them to develop their RP'ing further, but I don't see how they've done anything bad. At worst, all they are doing is replacing a bland Satanic theme with a bland socialist/communist theme.


The name of the legislature is called "Congress"; in one of the bills that failed, they wanted to rename the HOS, "President". They have every intention of turning that country generic and if given the chance they probably would.


I think some of us are overly-fixated on all of that stuff.
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