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Re: Rant of today

Postby Niju » Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:05 am

By meaning generic,i will not allow it to change the davostan's cultural protocol.You should check the bill i proposed."Executing the empire' is a mistake and i apologize
According to me..the game in there is so much fun and i enjoy it.Not only me..everyone there.
Satan's culture will be protected,but much generic according to the views of current human society.
And about the 'ha ha' one is truly enough..but network server is not in a good situation and my single "ha ha" got an error and it double it
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Re: Rant of today

Postby MichaelReilly » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:08 am

Aquinas wrote:
Afrocentric wrote:
Aquinas wrote:From what I have seen, the newer parties have not engineered any particularly in-depth RP, but at the same time, I don't really see how they've destroyed anything, since there wasn't any (or much) RP going on previously anyway. They're not entirely "generic" either. Both parties clearly have a pro-worker/left-wing/communist agenda. The new nation title they are introducing includes the term "Socialist" in it. They are passing a Bill to execute the Unholy Satanilic Emperor, which is sort of exciting, I guess. Personally I would encourage them to develop their RP'ing further, but I don't see how they've done anything bad. At worst, all they are doing is replacing a bland Satanic theme with a bland socialist/communist theme.


The name of the legislature is called "Congress"; in one of the bills that failed, they wanted to rename the HOS, "President". They have every intention of turning that country generic and if given the chance they probably would.


I think some of us are overly-fixated on all of that stuff.


This.

Sick of the title 'President' and 'Congress'? Then simply don't use it. But who are you to tell anybody else how to play the game?
Down with this sort of thing
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:53 pm

Niju wrote:By meaning generic,i will not allow it to change the davostan's cultural protocol.You should check the bill i proposed."Executing the empire' is a mistake and i apologize
According to me..the game in there is so much fun and i enjoy it.Not only me..everyone there.
Satan's culture will be protected,but much generic according to the views of current human society.
And about the 'ha ha' one is truly enough..but network server is not in a good situation and my single "ha ha" got an error and it double it


You don't have anything to apologise for. Carry on enjoying the game, and don't pay too much attention to the whining of us old-timers on the forum. I thought executing Lord Medivh Evil was great, btw.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:59 pm

MichaelReilly wrote:This.

Sick of the title 'President' and 'Congress'? Then simply don't use it. But who are you to tell anybody else how to play the game?


Exactly. The irony is that his own nation has a "President" as Head of State, a "Prime Minister" as Head of Government and a "Parliament" as the legislature, and despite all of the posts he has posted and all the threads he has started attacking so-called "generic nations", I can't remember the last time he made an effort to reform the "genericness" of his own.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Afrocentric » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:27 pm

Aquinas wrote:
MichaelReilly wrote:This.

Sick of the title 'President' and 'Congress'? Then simply don't use it. But who are you to tell anybody else how to play the game?


Exactly. The irony is that his own nation has a "President" as Head of State, a "Prime Minister" as Head of Government and a "Parliament" as the legislature, and despite all of the posts he has posted and all the threads he has started attacking so-called "generic nations", I can't remember the last time he made an effort to reform the "genericness" of his own.


Besides the fact that Rutania for most of its history has had a President, Prime Minister/Chancellor and a Parliament/Federal Parliament, the mods won't let me create an Equestria clone and the current crop of players have no desire to turn it into a monarchy like I've wanted to do for the past 2 years. You know nothing of the situation or what goes on there, so shut the fuck up and go find something else to be "outraged" at. I'm well within my rights as a player to call out people like Niju who have no respect for the game and are just there to hijack a unique country for the sole purpose of creating a run of the mill Republic with generic titles because they are too scared to try something new. BTW, if IDR didn't consent to having his character killed, that would be a violation of the rules iirc, so no, he shouldn't be praised and in fact should be EDUCATED about the rules instead of having his ass kissed.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:46 pm

Aquinas wrote:Selcrus, you once caricatured the International Monarchist League as this:

SelucianCrusader wrote:The IML having a meeting
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"We're greatly enjoying ourselves. Our countries are perfect. Everything is all the same all the time. So fun!"


Have you considered the possibility that after all these years in the game, you are beginning to resemble this caricature a little yourself?
Hehe, good ol' tiimes. In just a couple of days, it'll be the second anniversary of that thread.

Well, I have, but I think the difference lies in what I'm aiming at. I don't want a static world, and countries I control will never be like that. I want a creative atmosphere, were loads of fun RP can be done on the groundwork of what's already existing. Cultural genocides and stuff like that prevents it.

Aquinas wrote:A great pity. Three or four Selcrus's roaming around would make Terra a much more interesting place :).
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Afrocentric wrote:Besides the fact that Rutania for most of its history has had a President, Prime Minister/Chancellor and a Parliament/Federal Parliament, the mods won't let me create an Equestria clone and the current crop of players have no desire to turn it into a monarchy like I've wanted to do for the past 2 years. You know nothing of the situation or what goes on there, so shut the fuck up and go find something else to be "outraged" at. I'm well within my rights as a player to call out people like Niju who have no respect for the game and are just there to hijack a unique country for the sole purpose of creating a run of the mill Republic with generic titles because they are too scared to try something new. BTW, if IDR didn't consent to having his character killed, that would be a violation of the rules iirc, so no, he shouldn't be praised and in fact should be EDUCATED about the rules instead of having his ass kissed.
Yeah. The difference lies in how Rutania is a culturally protected anglophone nation and a republic on top of that. Although I really detest the name "Parliament" (even "Senate" would be miles better), and if I were you, I'd really seek to eliminate the HoG position to become less generic.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:53 pm

Afrocentric wrote:Besides the fact that Rutania for most of its history has had a President, Prime Minister/Chancellor and a Parliament/Federal Parliament,


So? Almost every nation in Terra has a history of using "generic" constitutional titles, yet that hasn't stopped you attacking them when you judge them to be "generic".

Afrocentric wrote:the mods won't let me create an Equestria clone and the current crop of players have no desire to turn it into a monarchy like I've wanted to do for the past 2 years.


Equestria and monarchism are not your only options. If you were as passionate in your crusade against "genericness" as you present yourself, then you would be actively presenting your nation with alternatives to "President", "Prime Minister" and "Parliament".

Afrocentric wrote:You know nothing of the situation or what goes on there, so shut the fuck up and go find something else to be "outraged" at.


You do not follow this dictum yourself when you lash out at nations and players you accuse of "genericness".

Afrocentric wrote:I'm well within my rights as a player to call out people like Niju who have no respect for the game and are just there to hijack a unique country for the sole purpose of creating a run of the mill Republic with generic titles because they are too scared to try something new.


How the heck is he showing "no respect for the game"??? One of the major issues with Particracy is the small group of people who hang around on the forum, acting out like they are part of some kind of elite and imagining they own the whole of Terra and have the right to tell everybody else what to do. Well, sorry, but you don't. Deal with it and stop spewing out all of this negativity. It turns a lot of players off this forum, and in some cases, off the game completely. I know because I've spoken to them.

Afrocentric wrote:BTW, if IDR didn't consent to having his character killed, that would be a violation of the rules iirc, so no, he shouldn't be praised and in fact should be EDUCATED about the rules instead of having his ass kissed.


Actually, in the end they voted down the Bill to execute Lord Medivh Evil after I did a RP about Aldurian civil rights activists complaining about it (see their response to that here). Notice, by the way, that unlike a lot of people who slag off "newbies" the most, I actually do do a bit of RP myself sometimes and I do make an effort to draw in newer players.

As for the rules, as I understand them, legislatures are able to pass judicial measures against in-game characters if they pass the appropriate Bill, though if anyone can clarify (hopefully in a less obnoxious way than Afrocentric tried to) then that would be helpful.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:35 pm

Aquinas wrote:How the heck is he showing "no respect for the game"??? One of the major issues with Particracy is the small group of people who hang around on the forum, acting out like they are part of some kind of elite and imagining they own the whole of Terra and have the right to tell everybody else what to do. Well, sorry, but you don't. Deal with it and stop spewing out all of this negativity. It turns a lot of players off this forum, and in some cases, off the game completely. I know because I've spoken to them.
While addressing people for the first time with a relatively mild tone is always preferable, I don't agree that a "small group of people who hang around on the forum", ie. people like you and me, are a "major issue" for the game in any way. Quite the opposite - it's an issue that say 50-60% of the players ignore the forum. The forum and the wiki are integral parts of the game. Dranland (blessings upon it's memory) would never have became such a fantastic experience without it's lore (it's cultural diversity, etc) and it's RP. It's newspaper will probably be unrivalled as the biggest of all for at least a half decade more, even if Ryouta would stop writing there completely.

I'd really like you to elaborate on that last sentence. What have these people you've spoken to told you?
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Re: Rant of today

Postby SelucianCrusader » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:37 pm

Aquinas wrote:As for the rules, as I understand them, legislatures are able to pass judicial measures against in-game characters if they pass the appropriate Bill, though if anyone can clarify (hopefully in a less obnoxious way than Afrocentric tried to) then that would be helpful.
I can't speak for Amaz, but AFAIK the legislature can probably order him executed, but it's up to the character's controller to agree having him executed.
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Re: Rant of today

Postby Aquinas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:06 pm

SelucianCrusader wrote:
Aquinas wrote:How the heck is he showing "no respect for the game"??? One of the major issues with Particracy is the small group of people who hang around on the forum, acting out like they are part of some kind of elite and imagining they own the whole of Terra and have the right to tell everybody else what to do. Well, sorry, but you don't. Deal with it and stop spewing out all of this negativity. It turns a lot of players off this forum, and in some cases, off the game completely. I know because I've spoken to them.
While addressing people for the first time with a relatively mild tone is always preferable, I don't agree that a "small group of people who hang around on the forum", ie. people like you and me, are a "major issue" for the game in any way. Quite the opposite - it's an issue that say 50-60% of the players ignore the forum. The forum and the wiki are integral parts of the game. Dranland (blessings upon it's memory) would never have became such a fantastic experience without it's lore (it's cultural diversity, etc) and it's RP. It's newspaper will probably be unrivalled as the biggest of all for at least a half decade more, even if Ryouta would stop writing there completely.

I'd really like you to elaborate on that last sentence. What have these people you've spoken to told you?


In this regard, Dranland was actually an excellent case in point, I'm sad to say. Despite all the time and energy we were putting into the RP there, we had to endure continual negative carping from the sidelines, both on this forum and elsewhere. After a while, that gets to people. I've spoken to players in other nations, and at different time periods, who have said the same thing as well. They see the negative attitudes on the forum, and it turns them off.
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