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Re: Language assistance requests

Postby IdioC » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:02 am

utoronto wrote:My parents decided to go to the extreme and placed me in a French immersion programme, which resulted in French being my first/primary language of instruction/schooling).


Wow. Having studied a bit of each language prior to going, when I went to Germany/Austria for a week at a time, I started to think in the language just before I came home. Went to Japan for around 3 months recently and started not only thinking in the language, but dreaming in it too.

Having a full education programme in a second language... reminds me of one of the last things Sigmund Freud said after moving to the UK from Vienna in the late 1930s: upon being asked about what his missed most about Vienna and his office there, his response was along the lines of not missing his material possessions much, but was more concerned about "losing his language of thought" (can't get the exact words though...).
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Re: Language assistance requests

Postby Amazeroth » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:35 pm

IdioC wrote:
utoronto wrote:My parents decided to go to the extreme and placed me in a French immersion programme, which resulted in French being my first/primary language of instruction/schooling).


Wow. Having studied a bit of each language prior to going, when I went to Germany/Austria for a week at a time, I started to think in the language just before I came home. Went to Japan for around 3 months recently and started not only thinking in the language, but dreaming in it too.


As far as I know, that (dreaming in other languages) is usually a sign that you've subconsciously come to regard the language in question as your first language (or as an "additional" first language), so I'm really surprised at that. Thinking in a language is pretty common if you have to work with it - I used to think in French at times (at school), and I still was awful in it.

Kubrick wrote:Fascinating! I guess it's probably what you were raised with, for a Dutch person German comes with relative ease (except for that hideous grammar), English is fairly easy as well. I failed massively at French though.


And vice versa - if it's not spoken too fast, I usually understand it if people are talking in Dutch to each other, without ever having learned much about it. Although that probably wouldn't be the cause if I didn't also speak English.

I also wanted to make a quip at that "hideous grammar" comment, but thinking about it you're actually quite right. So much that I'm very impressed by anyone who chooses to learn German and actually sticks with it.
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Re: Naming the hard-to-name nations

Postby Aquinas » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:15 pm

We are now specifically requesting a list of Coptic/Irkawan nation names for Cobura.
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Re: Language assistance requests

Postby Kubrick » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:30 pm

German grammar is overcomplicated, I have terrible memories of school learning all the different prenouns (? don't know the word in English). Die, der, das, du, dem, I can keep going. Dutch isn't logical either (do I put a d, a t or both? And other nonsense) but a native language is always easier. English is okay though, can't really complain about that grammar.
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Re: Naming the hard-to-name nations

Postby Liu Che/Zhuli » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:55 pm

For Indrala, which would be Yingdala in Indralan.

"Da Yingdala Tianchao" = Celestial/Heavenly Empire/Kingdom/Dynasty of Great Indrala

"Da Yingdala Diguo" = Empire of Great Indrala

"Da Yingdala Wangguo" = Kingdom of Great Indrala

(Remove "Da" and "Great" is removed)

"Yingdala Minguo" = Republic of Indrala

"Yingdala Renmin Gongheguo" = People's Republic of Indrala, or quite literally People's Communist State of Indrala

"Yingdala Guo" = State of Indrala, or just Indrala

"Yingdala Hezhongguo" = United States/Federated States/Federation of Indrala

"Yingdala Hezhongminguo" = Federal/United Republic of Indrala

"Yingdala Suweiai Gongheguo" = Soviet Republic of Indrala, or Soviet Communist State of Indrala

"Yingdala" = Jade-like large, towering rock, thereby describing the island, which has many mountains, as being not only beautiful, but also prosperous.
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Re: Naming the hard-to-name nations

Postby Aquinas » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:18 pm

Thanks, Liu Che! Those could come in useful.
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Re: Language assistance requests

Postby utoronto » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:08 am

Kubrick wrote:German grammar is overcomplicated, I have terrible memories of school learning all the different prenouns (? don't know the word in English). Die, der, das, du, dem, I can keep going. Dutch isn't logical either (do I put a d, a t or both? And other nonsense) but a native language is always easier. English is okay though, can't really complain about that grammar.


If memory serves, all except « du » are articles (e.g. in English: the, a, an, etc.); « Du » is a pronoun.
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Re: Naming the hard-to-name nations

Postby utoronto » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:43 am

Polish is a tricky b**tard, esp. when it comes to grammar. Sometimes, often, Google Translate doesn't provide an actual translation, or if there's no native Polish word, it doesn't Polonise the word.

So here are some of the possibilities for Valruzia

Valruzia: Walruzja
Republic of Valruzia/Valruzian Republic: Rzeczpospolita Walruzyjska or Republika Walruzyjska
Commonwealth of Valruzia/Valruzian Commonwealth: Rzeczpospolita Walruzyjska
Kingdom of Valruzia/Valruzian Kingdom: Królestwo Walruzyjskie
Empire of Valruzia/Valruzian Empire: Cesarstwo Walruzyjskie or Imperium Walruzyjskie
State of Valruzia/Valruzian State: Państwo Walruzyjskie
Federation of Valruzia/Valruzian Federation: Federacja Walruzyjska
Union of Valruzia/Valruzian Union: Unia Walruzyjska
Principality of Valruzia/Valruzian Principality: Księstwo Walruzyjskie or Xięstwo Walruzyjskie
Duchy of Valruzia/Valruzian Duchy: Księstwo Walruzyjskie or Xięstwo Walruzyjskie
Bishopic of Valruzia/Valruzian Bishopic: Biskupstwo Walruzyjskie
Archbishopic of Valruzia/Valruzian Archbishopic: Arcybiskupstwo Walruzyjskie
Electorate of Valruzia/Valruzian Electorate: Elektorat Walruzyjski

People's Republic of Valruzia: Walruzyjska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa or Walruzyjska Republika Ludowa
Socialist Republic of Valruzia: Walruzyjska Rzeczpospolita Socjalistyczna or Walruzyjska Republika Socjalistyczna
Socialist Federative Republic of Valruzia: Walruzyjska Rzeczpospolita Socjalistyczna Federacyjna or Walruzyjska Republika Socjalistyczna Federacyjna
People's Democratic Republic of Valruzia: Walruzyjska Rzeczpospolita Ludowo-Demokratyczna or Walruzyjska Republika Ludowo-Demokratyczna
Democratic Republic of Valruzia: Walruzyjska Rzeczpospolita Demokratyczna or Walruzyjska Republika Demokratyczna
Federal Republic of Valruzia: Walruzyjska Rzeczpospolita Federacyjna or Walruzyjska Republika Federacyjna

United Kingdom of Valruzia: Zjednoczone Królestwo Walruzyjskie
Federal Kingdom of Valruzia: Federacyjne Królestwo Walruzyjskie

Not plausible (but here we go)

Emirate of Valruzia/Valruzian Emirate: Emirat Walruzyjski
Khanate of Valruzia/Valruzian Khanate: Chanat Walruzyjski
Khaganate of Valruzia/Valruzian Khaganate: Kaganat Walruzyjski
Caliphate of Valruzia/Valruzian Caliphate: Kalifat Walruzyjski
Sultanate of Valruzia/Valruzian Sultanate: Sułtanat Walruzyjski
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Re: Language assistance requests

Postby Amazeroth » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:27 am

utoronto wrote:
Kubrick wrote:German grammar is overcomplicated, I have terrible memories of school learning all the different prenouns (? don't know the word in English). Die, der, das, du, dem, I can keep going. Dutch isn't logical either (do I put a d, a t or both? And other nonsense) but a native language is always easier. English is okay though, can't really complain about that grammar.


If memory serves, all except « du » are articles (e.g. in English: the, a, an, etc.); « Du » is a pronoun.


All except "du" are articles, but they are used as demonstrative or relative pronouns as well.
Eines Tages traf Karl der Große eine alte Frau.
"Guten Tag, alte Frau", sagte Karl der Große.
"Guten Tag, Karl der Große", sagte die alte Frau.
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Re: Naming the hard-to-name nations

Postby Liu Che/Zhuli » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:45 am

I should note that "(Da) Yingdala Tianchao" and "Yingdala Guo" are the two most proper names, as monarchical Chinese regimes never actually called themselves an empire, kingdom, etc., rather they used the dynasty name or Tianxia (All under Heaven, ie the world). Usage of the actual country name was much rarer than one would think.

Republican names can obviously use whatever they like and would be considered proper.
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