Consultation on early election & treaty-locking tactics

[Amazeroth]

As for suitable sanctions: I've also had a, "how come it's taken me seven years to think of that?", moment: Rather than a simple seat reset, which would both paralyse the nation until an election and then most likely still give a dominant party their position back to simply restore the status quo, you could inactivate the offending party, force early elections, then reactivate them to give the newbies a chance.

The mere fear of such a total reversal would surely make IC iron-fisted tinpots considerate to the needs of newcomers OOC?

That's some ingenious thinking.

[utoronto]

As for suitable sanctions: I've also had a, "how come it's taken me seven years to think of that?", moment: Rather than a simple seat reset, which would both paralyse the nation until an election and then most likely still give a dominant party their position back to simply restore the status quo, you could inactivate the offending party, force early elections, then reactivate them to give the newbies a chance.

The mere fear of such a total reversal would surely make IC iron-fisted tinpots considerate to the needs of newcomers OOC?

That's some ingenious thinking.

I concur!

[Maxington]

Give IdioC a cookie! IdioC you genius

[EEL Mk2]

That's some ingenious thinking.

Indeed. Rough, but ingenious.

Quite often newbies would turn a well-developed RP nation into some cookie-cutter anglophone social democracy without being aware of the forum, cultural protocols and RP. Moderation would have to spend ages reverting all the national variables back to their originals prevent RP abuses, whereas the Early Election gambit always prevented this from happening.

One could interpret clause 1b in my proposed rule as accounting for that situation. After all, preserving cultural protocols in the face of newbie excesses could very well be considered a "reasonable cause". I've deliberately left things somewhat vague to give Moderation discretion.

[IdioC]

That's some ingenious thinking.

Indeed. Rough, but ingenious.

In fairness, not ingenious as it took me around seven on-off years to put the pieces together, but it would certainly be a heavy-duty and presumably final straw measure. I imagine its frequent use would be nothing short of outrageous.

That wouldn't mean it would be anything less than a terrifying Sword of Damocles though.

(I guess there's still some Cynical Bastard in me yet.)

Quite often newbies would turn a well-developed RP nation into some cookie-cutter anglophone social democracy without being aware of the forum, cultural protocols and RP. Moderation would have to spend ages reverting all the national variables back to their originals prevent RP abuses, whereas the Early Election gambit always prevented this from happening.

One could interpret clause 1b in my proposed rule as accounting for that situation. After all, preserving cultural protocols in the face of newbie excesses could very well be considered a "reasonable cause". I've deliberately left things somewhat vague to give Moderation discretion.

All fair (and moderation discretion's severe reduction in PaxCyn was PaxCyn's fatal flaw, so always happy to see it considered). I'm merely adding more strings to the bow. Possibly dipping the arrows in poison too.

[EEL Mk2]

moderation discretion's severe reduction in PaxCyn was PaxCyn's fatal flaw, so always happy to see it considered

Of course, the alternative to a comprehensive code of rules like Pax Cyn would be to use important Moderation decisions as some sort of precedent.

[IdioC]

moderation discretion's severe reduction in PaxCyn was PaxCyn's fatal flaw, so always happy to see it considered

Of course, the alternative to a comprehensive code of rules like Pax Cyn would be to use important Moderation decisions as some sort of precedent.

Which, ironically, is how it all started! Then the code and expectations kept growing while the moderator manhours stayed constant.

...but I shouldn't side-track the discussion.

[Farsun]

Were these new rules suppose to include something regarding treaty locking or was that something that was discussed?

[Aquinas]

Wait, what Auto quoted...does that mean Moderation will just make up a culture for those countries? or does that mean that they will look at previous cultural RP and decide from there?

It's worth reading the OP, especially the first two sections. Basically, some nations were given a deadline to either adopt Cultural Protocols or adopt more detailed Cultural Protocols than the ones they currently had. The idea was that Moderation would do the job if the deadline was missed, based on the existing culture. In the event, Moderation drew up Cultural Protocols for Badara, New Endralon/Kizenia and Sekowo (see here).

Were these new rules suppose to include something regarding treaty locking or was that something that was discussed?

We held a consultation. The Consultation on early election & treaty-locking tactics is still on-going, although that thread has been quiet for a long while now.

[Farsun]

Can we get some sort of ruling on that Aquinas? Quite frankly while it is "game mechanics" it's an obvious exploit. It's essentially interrupting the entire process of the game through means which are in-game but are being misused and negatively impacting other players.