OOC: Counter-Realism in Particracy

[Doc]

I'm content with not having any power, it just means I can stoop to the levels of other players now and act like they do and no one can stop me.

Well, you are certainly welcome to stoop to my level. There's plenty of room here.

You know, I wouldn't have even raised this problem had you not said that all air craft carriers have to be approved by OTAF. Yeah, I knew it was unofficial, as you said, you said that explicitly. But it galled me to think that there was someone out there who was acting as if it wasn't anyway.

All this aside- there may still be hope. I am still technically committed to bringing Kalistan in line with acceptable force levels for a country of Kalistan's size and international commitments, which are next to none. I am still committed to eliminating the admittedly unreasonable things which I have put into place over the last few months. I do think the OTAF document is really quite good despite those things I pointed out- the break down of the different military and naval doctrines that represent the bulk of the document are very concise and I think very useful. I don't recognize anyone's desire to dictate Kalistan's capabilities or national interests to me, but I am open to suggestions, and for better or worse, Farsun, you do appear to have thought the most about this.

If you are willing, at some point in the future, to work with me on this, I would be happy to take a look at the matter again. You can say no, and I can go on my way like an unaimed missile- consequently really missing the target, or you can think about it and maybe someday, give me a hand. You may surprised at just what I know (given that I am a PhD IRL and a Marine Veteran...) and you would likely be surprised to know that I am actually quite flexible on a lot of these things...

Anyhow.

[Farsun]

I was never in the market for telling people they couldn't have something. At all actually. I'm all for shifting global powers, as it has happened here. At one time, Luthori and Hulstria were considered to be all powerful and could do anything they like. That changed, they stopped RPing, they stopped doing anything and people came to generally accept the fact that they were no longer "super powers" (something OTAF sought to eliminate entirely replacing it with global powers).

In the grand scheme of things, OTAF, or something similar to it would've had to approve aircraft carriers and WMDs because if you'd been here longer (not a jab) you'd understand that we've come so far from the point where we had countries, that NEVER DID A DAMN THING, claim they had 20 Nimitz-class super carriers. OTAFs goal, which never really got off the ground because I kept changing it to be less restrictive (I wish I had the first and second editions and we could all share a laugh) was to monitor and keep a list of what countries had (hence the International Arms Trade Commission being a thing) and make sure that shit didn't get out of hand.

From the onset only a small group could have what are considered "aircraft carriers" (Luthori, Trigunia, Indrala) because historically they had them. Hutori for instance, with Vescia, asked to produce them (not bowing to me or asking me but because he knew that I had always stuck my face in the military RP when things got out of hand) and we chatted about it and boom, he made it work. Vescia also put in decades of work into Hutori to make it credible that they had the power to support an ACC.

I'm always welcome to bringing people into OTAF but no one ever had the interest in it, fortunately I got Vescia and brought him onboard. You're very welcome to join on board and work with it. Never said that I don't think, but I don't see myself as the authority, I just offer my opinions...maybe because I'm the only one who ever does is why people think I matter, but I just offer why I think some RP is unrealistic, if people want to disagree oh well. In the case of RIS and Hutori, even Vescia (whose played there forever) stated that they weren't that powerful and as soon as he left, boom all the sudden they became this all knowing and powerful nation.

It has nothing to do with you not being allowed to have it with OTAF, it comes with building the RP to sustain the facts of having it.

[Doc]

I am fine with everything you said, Farsun, in your last post, and I understand what you are trying to do, I think.

And I understand what you are saying about the past, too. I am not exactly a forum noob, though I have been a lot more active in the forums recently, given that Kalistan is pretty much just the SP and the occasional visitor anymore. I can verify what you are saying from my own experience. I wonder if there is a balance which can't be reached between the free wheeling characteristic of the forums back then and the focus on realism of today. A discussion for another day perhaps.

I have informed vesica, who reached out via PM, that I am serious about beginning a rectification of Kalistani Armed Forces and Naval forces following the NH Primary. It won't necessarily be a part of OTAF, but I would sure appreciate your insight on the matter too. I am not sure how much of the document is yours, but I imagine a lot of it is, and as I said, there is a lot of hard work and great information in there- it provides a fantastic template to begin thinking about these questions in a systematic way. So if I were, for example, to tell you where I see Kalistan, with regard to its military and naval doctrine, I would ask, for example, for advise on Kalistan's ideal strength levels along those lines. I speak for Kalistan entirely, and have since October, and so I am in a position to RP IG years of rectification if need be. As I told vesica, my focus is on getting it right, and as I am telling you, I need and would appreciate good and informed advice on how to get there. But I also want it to match how I see, and have been RPing Kalistan for about an IG century now and have played in Kalistan for centuries before that, unreasonable RP choices I have made included.

That doesn't necessarily change on what I still see as the problem associated with a push toward realism over all in the game, but I think if I, as a player, have some input that is taken into account, I as a RPG character can at least buy into the system. If I ensure that what I see as Kalistan's needs are at least taken into consideration, I am less likely to oppose what comes down. This is a great example of something that can theoretically be worked on with the agreement of all, which can work out for the betterment of the game.

[Farsun]

OTAF isn't really something you join per say it's more of generally regarded principles when it comes to military affairs. It doesn't really have anything you join except maybe IC organs like the International Arms Trade Commission and maybe Gath but that's more an IC way to comment on stuff.