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RP Team & RP Accord rankings feedback

Postby Zanz » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:32 pm

Over the past several weeks, Kubrick, Liu Che, Polites and myself (the Global RP Team) have been working to develop an economic ranking of all the nations of Terra. We have reached an agreement on these rankings and now submit them here. I ask that you read the entire post before posting in this thread.

Frequently Asked Questions:

How do these rankings affect me?

  • For nations which have not / not yet ratified the RP Accord (forum thread), these rankings are suggestions. We ask that those who have not ratified the Accord seriously consider these rankings, and also seriously consider ratifying the Accord outright. Please feel free to utilize these rankings to inform your roleplay, your wiki writing, your history writing, etc.
  • For nations which have ratified the RP Accord, these rankings are canon and will be enforced by Moderation under section 20 of the Game Rules beginning on Feb. 22, 2016 at 12:00 AM CST. At that time these rankings will supersede any contradictory information on the wiki, the forum, legislative bills, the national debate page, etc. Utilize these rankings to inform your roleplay, your wiki writing, your history writing, etc.
I disagree with my nation's ranking. Can I have a say before these rankings are official?

  • From today (Feb. 14, 2016) until a week from today (Feb. 21, 2016 at 11:59 PM) these rankings will be considered to be in draft status. During this period, nations may petition the RP Team with a post on this thread for movement either upward or downward in rank. YOU MUST READ THE METHODOLOGY SECTION OF THIS POST BEFORE PETITIONING FOR A CHANGE IN RANK. Please understand that any petition is most likely to be denied and the rankings listed here will remain unchanged. We are confident in our rankings and methodology, and as such only petitions which include links to irrefutable evidence of a mistake on the part of the RP Team in creating these rankings have any likelihood of changing a nation's ranking. We are more likely to be amenable to a move downward in ranking than a move upward.
  • Further, we wish to recommend to all concerned parties that it is the opinion of the RP Team, with years of experience between us, that playing in less economically developed nations can be as fun, or even more fun, than playing in a nation which is more economically developed. Such a situation allows for innovative and creative RP, and also is more likely to earn the RPer the respect of his peers. In Particracy, the poorer nations do not always "lose!"
  • Even further, we wish to highlight the fact that no nation in Terra is so economically developed as to be considered a superpower on the level of the real world America of the mid-20th century. All of the high development nations listed below are all relatively on par with one another economically speaking. As such, no nation should RP itself as a global economic hegemon.

OK, fine. Can I affect my nation's ranking moving forward?

  • These rankings are designed to be fluid on a timeline of hundreds to thousands of in-game years. With evidence of long-term, excellent economic roleplay, nations can affect their ranking either upward or downward on this list. The RP Team hopes that these rankings will encourage all players and nations to engage in innovative, creative RP of economics and trade, a type of RP that has often been neglected in Particracy.
  • Nations which wish to petition for a change in rank must follow this process:
    • A post must be made on this thread by a member party of the nation seeking a ranking change who has been continuously active for at least one month in that nation. This is to prevent petitions from being lodged by those who have little history in any nation.
    • The petition post should link to all relevant RP and give a brief summary of why the nation is suitable for a move in rank in either direction.
    • The RP in question should be:
      1. Evidence of long term planning, organization, and execution on the part of one or more players in the nation.
      2. Reasonably realistic in the estimation of the average player of Particracy.
      3. Of high quality.
      4. In fitting with the general role play environment of Particracy as a whole.
      5. Strong preference will be given to forum RP, as it allows other nations and players to interact and to thus show their opinion of its reasonability.
  • The RP Team reserves the right to question and debate any petition, suggest further RP before repetition, reject any petition outright (with explanation as to why and with suggestion as to what might be a better path forward, or to move any nation up or down in the rankings without petition (with explanation as to why).
  • The RP Team will reassess these rankings using the same methodology roughly every six months in real life time.
Ranking Category Descriptions:

High Development

These countries have economies typically centered around services and high tech industries. Culture and political goals can influence what types of industries are most influential, e.g. the agricultural or manufacturing sectors are still important for certain real world high development economies, but these industries should be secondary and perhaps being phased out. More and higher quality education and health opportunities exist. These countries tend to have higher a GDP per capita and median incomes, although inequality may still persist. These countries typically have higher standards of living, but can also experience the consequences of such an economy, such as increased alienation, higher unemployment as automation increases, the decreased importance of the family unit, etc. These countries tend to be active on international markets, but don't necessarily always experience trade surpluses.

Medium Development

These countries have economies centered most heavily on manufacturing or extraction-based industries, but they might also have some clusters of post-industrial industries along side some agricultural industry. These countries have lower life expectancy, less education, and less income (primarily GDP per capita) than high development nations, but they can also generally boast higher employment than the increasingly automated high development nations, a more citizenry more generally engaged in the political sphere than in the more alienated high development nations, etc. These nations likely are more likely to be heavy polluters than many other nations. Though they are generally less active on international markets than high development nations, their economies often center around export and so trade is relatively important.

Low Development

These countries have economies typically centered around the agricultural or extraction sectors. Though some manufacturing might exist, if it exists on any large scale it is likely to be internationally owned and thus unprofitable for the host nation. Locals might have set up subsistence economies that emphasize manufacturing in the household (cottage industries) to compensate for the lack. Generally the people of these countries have poor education and health relative to more developed nations. The family unit and the community in these nations are likely to be very important to every day life, and people are likely to feel much less alienated than in the more automated and high-paced medium and high development nations. Pollution is largely a result of agricultural and extraction byproducts, and these are typically water pollutants. These nations are very often net exporters, but the goods they export may not get them too much in return.

Underdeveloped

These countries are the ex-colonial nations of Terra, whose colonial regimes abused them in order to profit in days gone by. They have often been intentionally undeveloped or developed in such a way as to divide the people therein for the benefit of the metropole. They struggle to provide even basic healthcare or education to their people, and they are highly reliant on international aid and charity. These nations do benefit from the continued focus on the extraction economy, and they often can sell their goods at lower prices than most more developed nations on the international market.

Methodology:

  • The rankings below were developed first by generating two separate rankings:
    • Subjective ranking - we created an economic ranking of all of the nations of Terra based on the educated opinions of all four members of the RP Team. This ranking system took into account historical RP and play style, recent RP and play style, as well as general community opinion. This gave us a score for each nation.
    • Objective ranking - we created a ranking of all the nations of Terra by normalizing their GDPs (excluding those nations for which the economic system was never completed), correcting for those nations who "game the system" by spending unrealistic amounts of their GDP publically, and then looked at spending as a percentage of GDP in various areas relevant to economic development (e.g. education, healthcare, infrastructure, welfare, etc.). Finally we generated an aggregate score and used that in our calculations.
  • We then took these two rankings and averaged each nation's score in each. This gave us our final rankings, which you will see below. We feel that this methodology allowed us both to eliminate as much bias as possible while incorporating RP factors into the final rank, and also to utilize as much of the in-game economic system as was reasonably possible. It is because of this belief that we posted the warning above (in the FAQ section) that it is unlikely we will allow petitions to change our rankings at this juncture. We are very confident in this methodology.
Rankings (order within each category does not matter):

High Development:

    Sekowo
    Keymon
    Lodamun
    Rildanor
    Telemon
    Zardugal
    Dankuk
    Kafuristan
    Luthori
    Vanuku
    Dorvik
    Indrala
    Trigunia
Medium Development:

    Aldegar
    Beiteynu
    Kirlawa
    Kazulia
    Cildania
    Tukarali
    Dundorf
    Cobura
    Istalia/Quanzar
    Rutania
    Aloria
    Pontesi
    Solentia
    Barmenia
    New Endralon/Kizenia
    Hutori
    Endralon
    Kundrati
    Alduria
    Darnussia and Narikaton
    Davostan
    Saridan
    Beluzia
    Selucia
    Kalistan
    Mikuni-Hulstria
    Badara
Low Development:

    Deltaria
    Kalopia/Wantuni
    Valruzia
    Kanjor
    Egelion
    Ibutho
    Hobrazia
    Baltusia
    Jakania
    Dolgaria
    Gaduridos
    Jelbania
    Likatonia
    Mordusia
    Malivia
    Talmoria
    Vorona / Deltaria Nova
    Lourenne
Underdeveloped:

    Commonwealth of North Dovani
    Utari Mosir
    Cifutingan
    Istapali
    Suyu Llaqta
    New Englia
    Ostland
    New Verham (Argos & Cho'kun)
    Midway
    Liore (Lyore & Shiratoku)
    Kurageri
    Rapa Pile
    Statrica
    Bianjie
    Utembo
    Ntoto (South Aslistan)
    Hanzen
    Kimlien
    Medina
    Xsampa (New Mordusia)
    New Alduria
    Noumonde
    Temania (Squibble)
    Vanakalam (North Vascania)
    Kalkalistan (South Vascania)
    Dalibor
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby Maxington » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:47 pm

Zanz, where is Trigunia in this?
I am not seeing it on the list here, I don't know if i missed it or something, If i missed it (i have to get my eye checked)
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby Zanz » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:52 pm

Maxington wrote:Zanz, where is Trigunia in this?
I am not seeing it on the list here, I don't know if i missed it or something, If i missed it (i have to get my eye checked)


You didn't miss it, I did. It's in the High Development category. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby Doc » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:14 pm

Kalistan as a medium-developed nation- I fully agree with that. I have always played Kalistan as a mix between Mexico, Cuba and like Finland or Austria economically, so this makes sense. Our primary exports are wines, drugs of all sorts, and oil within the last century (We always had it, we just never started extracting it), plus culture, but we do have a thriving agriculture sector (to support the Republican Food Bank) and do have a service-sector which is fairly decent as well. Medium seems about right for Kalistan.
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby SelucianCrusader » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:31 pm

Love it! I'm all for Pontesi being a medium developed nation. I've always RP:ed it as a Newly Industrialized Country (NIC), post-Soviet:ish.
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby SSLU » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:57 pm

Zanz wrote:Medium Development

These countries have economies centered most heavily on manufacturing or extraction-based industries, but they might also have some clusters of post-industrial industries along side some agricultural industry. These countries have lower life expectancy, less education, and less income (primarily GDP per capita) than high development nations, but they can also generally boast higher employment than the increasingly automated high development nations, a more citizenry more generally engaged in the political sphere than in the more alienated high development nations, etc. These nations likely are more likely to be heavy polluters than many other nations.

Doesn't fit in very well with the canon of Saridan: extraction/mining is nearly inexistent, manufacturing exists only in one state, the service sector is relatively large, political apathy is sky high and strict environmental regulations have been in place for the last ~100 years.

I have no objections though. You can't put a rural, agriculture-focused nation with a medicore GDP as high-development just because it is strictly pro-environment. That would be silly.

Now, if you don't mind, I'll get around to developing that one state I can claim as my own. I want to try opening up High-Tech industry using state-grants. On a side note, I really appreciate that the RP team has gotten around to encouraging people to engage in economic RP.
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby Siggon Kristov » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:15 pm

I read the entire original post. This is just lovely. Great job, guys.
With anything, it is good to state the methodology clearly.

My question is... Is this list permanent? Apart from having players submit appeals, it would be nice if this was updated/reviewed once every 100-200 IRL days or so, as new things could impact the Subjective Rankings you use. For example, internal conflict or other RP'd disaster could bring a country to be ranked more lowly, or a nation could very gradually develop over a period of stability.
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby Liu Che/Zhuli » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:55 pm

Thank you everyone for the positive feedback so far. It means a lot to us that you are supportive of our efforts and certainly provides us with the encouragement we need to continue.

Siggon Kristov wrote:I read the entire original post. This is just lovely. Great job, guys.
With anything, it is good to state the methodology clearly.

My question is... Is this list permanent? Apart from having players submit appeals, it would be nice if this was updated/reviewed once every 100-200 IRL days or so, as new things could impact the Subjective Rankings you use. For example, internal conflict or other RP'd disaster could bring a country to be ranked more lowly, or a nation could very gradually develop over a period of stability.


No, the list is not permanent. Countries will be able to move up and down, so long as they conduct RP in a way that allows them to develop. We will regularly update the list every so often, like you stated, in order to keep up with RP events going on.
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby Kubrick » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:57 pm

As Liu said, the list is not permanent. Things change in Particracy and things will keep changing. When I first arrived in Vanuku I roleplayed it as a medium developed nation which overall was quite poor and below average. Over the years that perception seems to have changed and now it's on the high development list.

Plus there are also plans to make a military ranking and with that updates will be even more important. Reviews will happen!
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Re: RP TEAM: Economic rankings for use with the RP Accord

Postby RIS » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:42 pm

First of all I want to thank you guys for what you are trying to do here. It really is nice to see a formal outline as to the economic status of terra's nations. Secondly I would like to inquire as to the reasoning behind Hutori being classified as being of medium development. Not that I am necessarily against it I was just wondering if you had taken everything into account. For instance the International Terran Bank which holds billions of dollars worth of accounts is headquartered in Hutori (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6557). Furthermore Hutori is also home to the Rocc Cola Group which exports/ed to two other nations (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6584, http://classic.particracy.net/vieworgan ... ionid=3748). Also Hutori and Kalistan just recently signed a trade agreement which allowed Hutori to purchase Kalistani oil at a discounted rate (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=462117, http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=462115). Now like I said I'm not saying that Hutori must necessarily be a highly developed nation and I would be fine with our current status as it would give me some thing to work for. :) However, I am interested in knowing if these factors had been taken into account and if so what type of bearing they had on the RP Team's decision.

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