Particracy RP & the upcoming US Presidential election

[Siggon Kristov]

Alright man, you figure it out. You all seem to have the perfect voting system in mind. I thought I was being OVERLY clear with what I was saying- I have already written my share of this thread, and said what was on my mind. I don't see what is so incredibly hard to understand about it, unless the goal is just to debate the matter into the ground...

At this point, if I add anything in response to your vivisection of my comments, I'll just be repeating myself without any additional clarity, so whatever...

Your proposal was very very clear. There was only 1 thing I didn't understand, and it wasn't a part of the detailed proposal you outlined; it was a separate idea. I actually quoted what exactly I didn't understand. There is no need for you to act like that. I swear, you rush to reply to something even before you read it. If you even scroll back and read the posts thoroughly, you'll see that the idea to have a GA with 2 delegates from each country was already discussed, and the person who proposed it had agreed with the criticism raised against it (and went on to withdraw it).

Why not just go with a simple majoritarian system, with indirect democracy. Each term, a person from a different geographical area gets to name candidates for the SG slot, and the GA would vote on that, not the Parties or the nations or the continents...

See, I don't clearly understand what you mean by "Each term, a person from a different geographical area gets to name candidates" - who is this person? What do you mean not the parties or nations?

This is all I asked you to clarify.

If you intend to just ragequit the discussion again, and blame me for your departure, make it less messy and less dramatic this time.
(And please don't write some 3000-word post to respond to this one line.)

[Doc]

[edit] Point taken

[Siggon Kristov]

Okay, so moving on...
We have 5 proposals.
1) An electoral college system, where it would be as if Terra was the USA, and each continent was a state in the USA
2) A system with primaries in each continent, then a worldwide election
3) A system where there is a leader for each continent, and world leadership rotates among the continents after each term
4) A system where there is a leader for each continent, and they form a council and elect a world leader
5) A system where there is a leader for each continent, and they take turns being the world leader during the term

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Here's an explanation of the 5 proposals we have developed so far:

#1 - Terra would be divided into continental groups like the UN. Each continent would have a fixed number electoral votes. Each nation would pass a bill to indicate which candidate it supports, and the most popular candidate in each continent would get all of that continent's electoral votes. To narrow down the number of candidates, each election would only allow candidates from 1 continent; the first election would only allow Artanian candidates, the 2nd election would only allow Majatran candidates, the 3rd election would only allow Seleyan candidates, etc.

#2 - Instead of an electoral college proposal, every nation would just have 1 vote. There would first be primaries in each continent, consisting only of each continent's own candidates; this would narrow the election down to 1 candidate per continent. There would then be a global election where any nation can vote for any continent's candidate.

#3 - Each continent would elect a leader for the continent. Every term, 1 continent gets the privilege of having its leader as the global leader. The 1st election would allow Artania to have that privilege. The 2nd election would allow Majatra to have that privilege, the 3rd election would allow Seleya to have that privilege, etc.

#4 - Each continent would elect a leader for the continent, and they would form a council together. They would elect a global leader among themselves. The council and a single leader will serve for a full 15-year term.

#5 - Terra will be split into 5 regions. Each region would elect a leader, and they would form a council together. Each regional leader would get to be the global leader for 3 years. After all 5 leaders have served their 3 year terms, a new election is held.

[Rathon]

I will give my support to proposal #4, with the additional stipulation that candidates can't vote for themselves in the final round, and the same region can't hold the leadership for two terms in a row.

[Siggon Kristov]

I will give my support to proposal #4, with the additional stipulation that candidates can't vote for themselves in the final round, and the same region can't hold the leadership for two terms in a row.

Ah, so you don't like the idea of having a rotational leadership where a specific region is selected every term to hold the leadership, which is why you don't support #3, I guess. At the same time, you don't want the same region being able to hold it twice in a row.

My question to you would then be: Even with such a rule, what if leadership ends up continuously alternating between just 2 regions? Even if not every time, what if there are 2 regions that get it a lot more times than others, and some just don't get it at all? It's not a fundamental problem, just something to think about.

[Rathon]

I will give my support to proposal #4, with the additional stipulation that candidates can't vote for themselves in the final round, and the same region can't hold the leadership for two terms in a row.

Ah, so you don't like the idea of having a rotational leadership where a specific region is selected every term to hold the leadership, which is why you don't support #3, I guess. At the same time, you don't want the same region being able to hold it twice in a row.

My question to you would then be: Even with such a rule, what if leadership ends up continuously alternating between just 2 regions? Even if not every time, what if there are 2 regions that get it a lot more times than others, and some just don't get it at all? It's not a fundamental problem, just something to think about.

I don't like the idea of mandating that a particular region gets the leadership at a particular time, but I do want to prevent the same person from being elected over and over again. Maybe in addition to "no consecutive terms for a region," we could add on term limits for individual characters. While it is possible that 2 regions could flip back and forth, I still think that's slightly preferable to "Artania has to have it this turn."

That said, I still prefer #5 and #3, in that order, to #2 with its probably difficult to implement second round. I don't like #1 because it restricts candidates from most continents from even running each time, and I like the idea of electing a council with representatives from each region. (I know I didn't use the term council when I initially proposed #2, but that was because I was thinking of it strictly in terms of electing a leader. #2's and #3's candidates can form a council.)

[Aquinas]

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