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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby Rathon » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:58 am

In my proposals on the old thread, I paired Indrala with Seleya because I thought I read on the Wiki that Indrala was considered part of Seleya, but upon rereading it, it says "It is generally considered part of the South Seleya region or Southwest Dovani region." I paired Keymon with Artania for the purpose of trying to keep the number of seats in each region as close to equal as possible.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby SelucianCrusader » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:37 pm

Rathon wrote:In my proposals on the old thread, I paired Indrala with Seleya because I thought I read on the Wiki that Indrala was considered part of Seleya, but upon rereading it, it says "It is generally considered part of the South Seleya region or Southwest Dovani region." I paired Keymon with Artania for the purpose of trying to keep the number of seats in each region as close to equal as possible.
Indrala shares the Dovanian Asian culture, so it is probably more fair to put it in that category.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby Aquinas » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:30 am

I don't know about others, but I've found it fascinating to follow the early stages of the nomination process (much more interesting than the increasingly awful & depressing American Presidential election, if you ask me!!).

At the time of writing, here's the latest state of play...

Seat A

Luthori - 5
Endralon - 4
Dorvik - 3
Aloria - 1
Dundorf - 1
Hobrazia - 1
Kirlawa - 1
Malivia - 1
Rutania - 1

Seat B

Vanuku - 4
Istalia - 3
Jelbania - 3
Deltaria - 2
Jakania - 2
Zardugal - 2
Badara - 1
Beiteynu - 1
Barmenia - 1
Cildania - 1
Selucia - 1

Seat C

Indrala - 7
Kalistan - 6
Lodamun - 2
Valruzia - 2
Baltusia - 1
Likatonia - 1
Mordusia -1
Tukarali - 1

Seat D

Hutori - 5
New Endralon - 4
Davostan - 2
Lourenne - 2
Talmoria - 2
Trigunia -2
Egelion - 1
Kazulia - 1
Hulstria - 1
Sekowo - 1

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In other words, if a snap election was held right now, the Security Council members would be:

Seat A - Luthori
Seat B - Vanuku
Seat C - Indrala
Seat D - Hutori
Seat E - Kalistan (strongest runner-up)

But obviously, there is still a long way to go until the election (November 1st) and there are lots of nominations up for grabs and anything can happen!
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby TheTsar » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:40 am

I think we should just have the 6 great powers (according to the RP accord) be the permanent members, and another 6 are elected by the nations. What do you think?
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby jamescfm » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:46 pm

TheTsar wrote:I think we should just have the 6 great powers (according to the RP accord) be the permanent members, and another 6 are elected by the nations. What do you think?

Whilst I understand this wasn't a question for me, personally, I'd like to register my opposition to this idea. There has to be a balance between realism and fairness. Obviously, there is a bias with both of us in this scenario but I ask do you really think it's fair that a nation like Indrala, where the single party hasn't even voted for themselves, should be automatically given a seat over a nation like Hutori (or Kalistan) where several parties are actively campaigning for their seat? In my opinion, that would be extremely harsh on players who choose to play in poorer/less-developed/weaker nations.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby TheTsar » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:54 pm

jamescfm wrote:
TheTsar wrote:I think we should just have the 6 great powers (according to the RP accord) be the permanent members, and another 6 are elected by the nations. What do you think?

Whilst I understand this wasn't a question for me, personally, I'd like to register my opposition to this idea. There has to be a balance between realism and fairness. Obviously, there is a bias with both of us in this scenario but I ask do you really think it's fair that a nation like Indrala, where the single party hasn't even voted for themselves, should be automatically given a seat over a nation like Hutori (or Kalistan) where several parties are actively campaigning for their seat? In my opinion, that would be extremely harsh on players who choose to play in poorer/less-developed/weaker nations.

Look at the real world and no-one is complaining that the 5 superpowers are permament Security Council members and the others are elected by the General Assembly. I believe the most powerful nations should automatically be given a seat on the Security Council, because they can easily intervene without too much fear or anxiety.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby jamescfm » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:03 pm

TheTsar wrote:
jamescfm wrote:
TheTsar wrote:I think we should just have the 6 great powers (according to the RP accord) be the permanent members, and another 6 are elected by the nations. What do you think?

Whilst I understand this wasn't a question for me, personally, I'd like to register my opposition to this idea. There has to be a balance between realism and fairness. Obviously, there is a bias with both of us in this scenario but I ask do you really think it's fair that a nation like Indrala, where the single party hasn't even voted for themselves, should be automatically given a seat over a nation like Hutori (or Kalistan) where several parties are actively campaigning for their seat? In my opinion, that would be extremely harsh on players who choose to play in poorer/less-developed/weaker nations.

Look at the real world and no-one is complaining that the 5 superpowers are permanent Security Council members and the others are elected by the General Assembly. I believe the most powerful nations should automatically be given a seat on the Security Council because they can easily intervene without too much fear or anxiety.

With respect, this isn't the real world. There's very little chance that the Conservative party, Labour party, Lib Dems, SNP, UKIP etc. will just disappear from politics altogether with no notice. This is considerably more likely in Particracy. You may have realised that before you started out in Trigunia there was nobody there, what happens if that situation occurs again. Besides, I don't believe it's accurate to say 'no-one is complaining', I think it's a completely unfair system. I don't mean this in a personal manner and I apologise if I'm being unfair but it does sound like you're frustrated Trigunia isn't in line for a seat. The seats should be given as a reward for nations/parties/players who have campaigned and worked for them, not arbitrarily to certain nations. On another note, twelve is far too many seats.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby TheTsar » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:14 pm

jamescfm wrote:With respect, this isn't the real world. There's very little chance that the Conservative party, Labour party, Lib Dems, SNP, UKIP etc. will just disappear from politics altogether with no notice. This is considerably more likely in Particracy. You may have realised that before you started out in Trigunia there was nobody there, what happens if that situation occurs again. Besides, I don't believe it's accurate to say 'no-one is complaining', I think it's a completely unfair system. I don't mean this in a personal manner and I apologise if I'm being unfair but it does sound like you're frustrated Trigunia isn't in line for a seat. The seats should be given as a reward for nations/parties/players who have campaigned and worked for them, not arbitrarily to certain nations. On another note, twelve is far too many seats.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but no government I know of has complained with the UN system. Also, when I started in Trigunia, there were two parties (one was inactivating), so I did rule with an opposition. Now I am the opposition and now there are three players, making it more interesting. Anyway, regarding the bit about me being frustrated, that is partly true, but mostly because I simply support the current system in the UN.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby jamescfm » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:27 pm

TheTsar wrote:
jamescfm wrote:With respect, this isn't the real world. There's very little chance that the Conservative party, Labour party, Lib Dems, SNP, UKIP etc. will just disappear from politics altogether with no notice. This is considerably more likely in Particracy. You may have realised that before you started out in Trigunia there was nobody there, what happens if that situation occurs again. Besides, I don't believe it's accurate to say 'no-one is complaining', I think it's a completely unfair system. I don't mean this in a personal manner and I apologise if I'm being unfair but it does sound like you're frustrated Trigunia isn't in line for a seat. The seats should be given as a reward for nations/parties/players who have campaigned and worked for them, not arbitrarily to certain nations. On another note, twelve is far too many seats.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but no government I know of has complained with the UN system. Also, when I started in Trigunia, there were two parties (one was inactivating), so I did rule with an opposition. Now I am the opposition and now there are three players, making it more interesting. Anyway, regarding the bit about me being frustrated, that is partly true, but mostly because I simply support the current system in the UN.

You're probably right about the government's complaining- I'll concede that. With regards to the lack of parties in Trigunia, there was certainly a time before you arrived (maybe it wasn't directly before) when there were no active parties. I recall talking to a player about agreeing a treaty with you and then them deserting- leaving me to look rather foolish. I understand what you're saying about the UN system but that's what I mean when I say that there has to be a balance between realism and fairness, although it might be more accurate to say practicality. For example, I know Siggon has pointed out before that we can't really operate a General Assembly in the same way the UN does because the player-base simply wouldn't be able to maintain it.
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Re: World Congress & Security Council

Postby TheTsar » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:35 pm

jamescfm wrote:
TheTsar wrote:
jamescfm wrote:With respect, this isn't the real world. There's very little chance that the Conservative party, Labour party, Lib Dems, SNP, UKIP etc. will just disappear from politics altogether with no notice. This is considerably more likely in Particracy. You may have realised that before you started out in Trigunia there was nobody there, what happens if that situation occurs again. Besides, I don't believe it's accurate to say 'no-one is complaining', I think it's a completely unfair system. I don't mean this in a personal manner and I apologise if I'm being unfair but it does sound like you're frustrated Trigunia isn't in line for a seat. The seats should be given as a reward for nations/parties/players who have campaigned and worked for them, not arbitrarily to certain nations. On another note, twelve is far too many seats.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but no government I know of has complained with the UN system. Also, when I started in Trigunia, there were two parties (one was inactivating), so I did rule with an opposition. Now I am the opposition and now there are three players, making it more interesting. Anyway, regarding the bit about me being frustrated, that is partly true, but mostly because I simply support the current system in the UN.

You're probably right about the government's complaining- I'll concede that. With regards to the lack of parties in Trigunia, there was certainly a time before you arrived (maybe it wasn't directly before) when there were no active parties. I recall talking to a player about agreeing a treaty with you and then them deserting- leaving me to look rather foolish. I understand what you're saying about the UN system but that's what I mean when I say that there has to be a balance between realism and fairness, although it might be more accurate to say practicality. For example, I know Siggon has pointed out before that we can't really operate a General Assembly in the same way the UN does because the player-base simply wouldn't be able to maintain it.

I believe that it was me who put Trigunia back into the spotlight and made it an important player on the international arena. Trigunia shut itself away in the Northern corner of Terra and did not do anything in foreign affairs. Then I cam along, was condemned by the Augustan Imperial Throne, sailed some ships into Baltusian waters, had a crisis with Indrala, intervened in the Deltarian Civil War, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It is quite funny that a new player started RPing in all four directions (sorry if you do not understand this joke, it is Russian).
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