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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby jamescfm » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:54 pm

I have to say Doc's reaction surprises me. When I first started playing and was still getting to grips with the game, I thought that having a second account would be fantastic. Perhaps it was just because I had a lot of time on my hands at that moment. Of course, I wouldn't discount it just yet- it could just be that the parties you're dealing with are new players or something like that. Alternatively, it might be that you personally don't like the experience (you're obviously much better placed to make a judgement about that).

With this in mind, might I make a suggestion about reforming the process, just to consider going forward. What about if the RP Team creates a list or ranking of some kind which highlights nations which they feel need development or better RP? Then players in these nations or connected ones can comment on it, say whether they agree or disagree etc. As well as focusing alternate accounts better and being a bit more transparent, this could be used to direct new players or those who are planning to change nations. The closest thing I guess we have at the moment is the Bleeding Hearts thread.

If this is an idea which others think could work, then perhaps the next step is to allow people to 'apply' for second accounts. The criteria should be as rigorous as possible and the accounts must have pre-determined goals with players feeding back about progress but I think it's an interesting prospect. It might also combat the idea that there is a 'clique' at the top, which at least a small segment of the player base seem to buy into.
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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby Doc » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:08 pm

I want to stress, these are just initial impressions, and I don't want to suggest that my experience is typical. Perhaps Kubrick would also add his opinion on the question.

At any rate- I am happy to continue to go on with the experiment- things may change up there and I might be able to deepen the RP after all, which might do the world some good. I'm completely in favor of letting it play out. But I just wanted to make the point that its not like I'm getting some extra power- in fact, its a bit more of a challenge.
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Re: Multiple Account Trials

Postby Kubrick » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:15 am

Autokrator15 wrote:Trigunia for example has two of the most active players in the game, how is Kubricks adding to that nation by being there with a second account?


If you disagree with my nation choice you ought to read the "Bleeding Hearts Lonely Nations" thread more often. That is where I posted a public offer for every nation in Particracy to take, I left the ultimate choice of where I would start my experiment with the community and TheTsar was the only one who responded. I had other options but TheTsar responded so I joined him in Trigunia. In the coming days I am considering moving to another nation, with consent of Aquinas, to continue the experiment elsewhere and see if it works there as well.

Doc wrote:I want to stress, these are just initial impressions, and I don't want to suggest that my experience is typical. Perhaps Kubrick would also add his opinion on the question.

At any rate- I am happy to continue to go on with the experiment- things may change up there and I might be able to deepen the RP after all, which might do the world some good. I'm completely in favor of letting it play out. But I just wanted to make the point that its not like I'm getting some extra power- in fact, its a bit more of a challenge.


For me it is a lot different. I have been "partysitting" Vanuku for months/years/decad- Well half a decade soon and I am the only party there. This means that for me the only RP that was going on was the international RP, though I do very much enjoy that I spend little time on it these days. So for me this experiment is going decent, though on hindsight I am perhaps in the wrong nation. I will say that the main point of this experiment is (in my opinion) to bring more RP to nations with various newish players, noobie-friendly RP and you know, an experienced player there to offer some advice and take it easy on them instead of trying to break down everything these newer players built up. In Trigunia I have been trying to be nimble with TheTsar's reformation of Trigunia and I hope he has experienced it likewise.

It is pretty hard to log in on two accounts and keep track of all the things you're doing, especially since my two parties are polar opposites. But for me it's not impossible, I actually quite enjoy it, especially RP'ing some conservative far-left nutjob in a Tsarist Trigunia. On hindsight it's maybe not the best nation, TheTsar is doing a great job with Trigunia and the other party sadly deactivated but I can always move. It takes some getting used to but I do believe this experiment is going well from my side.

And a note to others: right now this is an experiment, phase 1, first steps on the moon. In the future we hope to include other experienced players outside of the RP Team, at least that is the vision we previously discussed internally. I get it, it's unfair right now but this has been a very sensitive subject for years and you can't just let everyone multi and see if it works, small delicate steps and we'll take it from there.
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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby Autokrator15 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:31 am

For me it is a lot different. I have been "partysitting" Vanuku for months/years/decad- Well half a decade soon and I am the only party there. This means that for me the only RP that was going on was the international RP,

Same problem here Kubricks.

If you disagree with my nation choice you ought to read the "Bleeding Hearts Lonely Nations" thread more often. That is where I posted a public offer for every nation in Particracy to take, I left the ultimate choice of where I would start my experiment with the community and TheTsar was the only one who responded. I had other options but TheTsar responded so I joined him in Trigunia. In the coming days I am considering moving to another nation, with consent of Aquinas, to continue the experiment elsewhere and see if it works there as well.

I just recently read that. Though I think other RP team members didnt base it on that. But dont take it as personal criticism. I am just a bit sceptical of the entire experiment and am eager to see the outcome.


And a note to others: right now this is an experiment, phase 1, first steps on the moon. In the future we hope to include other experienced players outside of the RP Team, at least that is the vision we previously discussed internally. I get it, it's unfair right now but this has been a very sensitive subject for years and you can't just let everyone multi and see if it works, small delicate steps and we'll take it from there.

Ofcourse, but nothing must be done without it having a good bucket of criticizism poured over it. We need to be carefull with this experiment and we need to see results. As you said you are in a nation that does not require your assistance. Trigunia (like Vanuku and New Endralon) has players babysitting it, that is unfortunate but not the good reason.

But that being said, I am eager to see the results later on.
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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby jamescfm » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:07 am

What do you two (Kubrick and Doc) think to this idea?
jamescfm wrote:What about if the RP Team creates a list or ranking of some kind which highlights nations which they feel need development or better RP? Then players in these nations or connected ones can comment on it, say whether they agree or disagree etc. As well as focusing alternate accounts better and being a bit more transparent, this could be used to direct new players or those who are planning to change nations. The closest thing I guess we have at the moment is the Bleeding Hearts thread.


The Bleeding Hearts Thread is okay but it's more of an appeal to players, I was thinking like a record of the state of RP in each nation- if that makes sense...
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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby Aquinas » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:34 am

jamescfm wrote:What do you two (Kubrick and Doc) think to this idea?
jamescfm wrote:What about if the RP Team creates a list or ranking of some kind which highlights nations which they feel need development or better RP? Then players in these nations or connected ones can comment on it, say whether they agree or disagree etc. As well as focusing alternate accounts better and being a bit more transparent, this could be used to direct new players or those who are planning to change nations. The closest thing I guess we have at the moment is the Bleeding Hearts thread.


The Bleeding Hearts Thread is okay but it's more of an appeal to players, I was thinking like a record of the state of RP in each nation- if that makes sense...


I'm not Kubrick or Doc...but reading this, my hunch is that not every player would appreciate having their nation designated as needing "development or better RP" or stuff like that, if you see what I mean. :). Different players can be very different. Some love to get really involved and some prefer to play much more casually.
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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby jamescfm » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:53 am

Aquinas wrote:The Bleeding Hearts Thread is okay but it's more of an appeal to players, I was thinking like a record of the state of RP in each nation- if that makes sense...


I'm not Kubrick or Doc...but reading this, my hunch is that not every player would appreciate having their nation designated as needing "development or better RP" or stuff like that, if you see what I mean. :). Different players can be very different. Some love to get really involved and some prefer to play much more casually.[/quote]
Hmm, that's true. Not necessarily, though, if you're the only party in a nation then it could draw people to you. We could also give players a chance to respond as well.
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Re: RP Team & 2nd accounts (was Multiple Account Trials)

Postby Doc » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:04 pm

jamescfm wrote:
Aquinas wrote:I'm not Kubrick or Doc...but reading this, my hunch is that not every player would appreciate having their nation designated as needing "development or better RP" or stuff like that, if you see what I mean. :). Different players can be very different. Some love to get really involved and some prefer to play much more casually.

Hmm, that's true. Not necessarily, though, if you're the only party in a nation then it could draw people to you. We could also give players a chance to respond as well.


Just as a foot note: It seems that at some point in the past, there was a way that individuals could buy whole countries to play by themselves... Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I seem to recall something like that... It seems like Maddog islands were like that, and maybe verona...
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