Consultation on military & economic power rankings

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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby jamescfm » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:33 pm

MarkWill wrote:I do find it absurd that a ghost nation hasn't passed a law in (IG) years and has no RP to justify its economic ranking in the last 2 months both in-game and on the forums; however, I want to make it clear I'm not on some crusade to topple Cobura. I'd simply like the rankings to be more fluid and to reflect the RP of those who put in the time. I am willing to wait longer if you somehow believe Cobura merits this ranking, but I honestly don't see what evidence exists for Cobura to remain a "strong" economic nation.

I'm not suggesting it should but I just wanted to play devil's advocate if nothing else. The multi-party v. single-party state was the main point of clarification I wanted.
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby CCP » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:57 am

MarkWill wrote:I'd simply like the rankings to be more fluid and to reflect the RP of those who put in the time. I am willing to wait longer if you somehow believe Cobura merits this ranking, but I honestly don't see what evidence exists for Cobura to remain a "strong" economic nation.


If I remember right, Cobura was only bumped up to Strong (or whatever the RP Team's equivalent was) in the RP Team's last rankings list from 2 or 3 weeks ago. Akhenaten (Cobura's main player in recent years) and I spoke about the RP Team's promotion of Cobura in its rankings. I think we were both a little surprised (don't quote me on that though -- I'm not certain if Akhenaten was surprised or not). While I do think MarkWill is missing some important details about Cobura RP (for instance, because Akhenaten was the only player there for so long, he tended to write alot of his RP in bills, including some economy RP), I do think the underlying point has some validity -- that is, the RP Team's rankings (and these moderator rankings which look to be based on the RP Team's lists) are not closely enough tied to actual gameplay. That's one reason why, before I suggested junking the rankings lists, I spoke to some players about the possibility of ranking countries from most to least powerful and doing away with the 'strong,' 'weak,' and etc categories, and also not bothering to rank countries that don't actually RP because the players in those country don't care and they don't interact with any RPers so no one else cares either. Axxell's suggestion of doing away with the set number of countries per category would also be an improvement.

But Aquinas and Reddy have decided to go ahead with this setup, and despite its clear flaws, Aquinas and Reddy have improved it a bit during this player input discussion. So given that this is what we have to work with, I just can't see how Rildanor warrants a bump on the strength of a few days worth of RP. If Rildanor does get bumped up though, I don't think Cobura is the best candidate for demotion because even though Cobura hasn't done prominent economy RP on the forums recently, Cobura does RP, which is more than several countries in the Strong and Very Strong categories do. Dankuk or Luthori might be better candidates.
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby Reddy » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:02 am

CCP wrote:So given that this is what we have to work with, .


No, it remains voluntary in nature. No one has to work with it. Moderation will not be enforcing this system of rankings, ever. Each player is free to create whatever system he alone or with others view as better or more viable.

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As for Rildanor, I personally think that your economic RP has to be carried out for a more sustained period before Rildanor can be moved up the ranks. But then again, the community's input is a major deciding factor so what do you all think?
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby MarkWill » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:15 am

I did not realize Luthori or Dankuk had not RPed in some time. If they are better alternatives to Cobura, it would be more appropriate to replace them. I respect the opinions of the community and will work within these guidelines as long as there are no other reliable standards.
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby Axxell » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:01 pm

In effect, about Rildanor, it's seems that the current role-play in the forum and the begining of the interraction with other players has started only this months. It's a very short period of time. It's good RP, you have many possibility to continue to develop the country, but ten days or less of Role Play maybe are too few.
Your role play as started a policy of denationalization of the economy, after a period of isolation (if I'm not mistaken also existed a socialist regime, it isn't?).
I'm not defending cobura, in effect I have not too much info, but I'm talking about Rildanor and what me seems and maybe is the same impression of other than me.
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby MarkWill » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:46 pm

The major concern seems to be that this RP has been going on for only a short amount of time, and I agree. In fact, thinking in in-game years, it's only been around 3 or 4 years, which is an unrealistic amount of time for a nation to advance in these rankings. I'll give it about a month or so, which is around 15 years, and will make another request. Thank you all for your feedback. :)
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby stuntmonkey » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:15 pm

Hi there,

In Baltusia, the various parties are currently voting on whether to abide by the military and economic power rankings. It looks as if we are going to agree to abide by them i.e Economically Weak and Militarily Average, which should present some good RP opportunities both domestically and internationally.

However, I notice that you are considering listing a nation's key natural resources. Given that our economy would be very much based on basic extraction industries I would like to express an interest in this becoming a reality if possible.

I think it would give Baltusian players something to get their teeth into as we look to build up our economic power and particularly as ecology is a huge issue in our country and the extraction of resources would have a major impact on our policies.

Many thanks.
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby Lucca » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:00 pm

Aquinas wrote:Thank you to everybody who has taken part in the consultation so far. We continue to ask for your feedback on our proposed advisory document, the latest draft of which can be inspected below:

I feel Kirlawa's placement is perfect :) (at average/average)
Thank you!

Please don't bump us down (nor up for that matter). :oops:
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby Aquinas » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:12 pm

Big thanks to everybody who has taken part in and followed this thread. It has been a very interesting exercise.

Two weeks into the consultation, we are now at a point where we feel ready to wrap this up. The last draft document which was presented has now been made the Voluntary Economic & Military Role-Play Guide.

We are continuing to invite feedback on how, if at all, the voluntary rankings/guidance system should be developed as we go into the future. As ever, your feedback is important to us.
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Re: Consultation on military & economic power rankings

Postby Doc » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:17 am

Late to the Party as Usual.

I just want to thank the folks who worked on these rankings. I am sure Lourenne is where you all put it, though it is my intention to begin modernizing in the country. Of course, we will be looking for FDI, but right now, it is probably pretty reasonable to put us at the level of Algeria. ;)
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