Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby Reddy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:09 pm

Aquinas wrote:
LukasV wrote:And I'd rather support SelCru's proposal to ban fringe topics than to create protected groups; that way, I can still call Zanz a faggit when he deserves it.


Talking of which, I hope this outburst is going to be dealt with. Everybody who has followed Discord (which includes Wouter and both Mods) will realise full well that as well as being offensive and a completely inappropriate and unnecessary remark, this is rather clearly part of LukasV's personal agitation against me.


LukasV this kind of language is unacceptable and appears to be directed at Aquinas and the events that took place on Discord. Regardless of that,it would still be uncivil discourse. Moderation is in the process of investigating this.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby LukasV » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:27 pm

Reddy wrote:
Aquinas wrote:
LukasV wrote:And I'd rather support SelCru's proposal to ban fringe topics than to create protected groups; that way, I can still call Zanz a faggit when he deserves it.


Talking of which, I hope this outburst is going to be dealt with. Everybody who has followed Discord (which includes Wouter and both Mods) will realise full well that as well as being offensive and a completely inappropriate and unnecessary remark, this is rather clearly part of LukasV's personal agitation against me.


LukasV this kind of language is unacceptable and appears to be directed at Aquinas and the events that took place on Discord. Regardless of that,it would still be uncivil discourse. Moderation is in the process of investigating this.

I deny all accusations that this is somehow directed at Aquinas. I may not like his brand of over-sensitive political correctness and we typically don't get along as a result, but I have never alluded to make slurs at his expense in this manner in the past, and I don't see any precedent to start doing so now without any basis. Your investigation is unwarranted, unfounded, and thereby a waste of time.

I admit to using a bastardized form of a typically derogatory term as a term of endearment, but I don't intend on apologizing unless Zanz calls it in. I'm not responsible if someone chose to redirect a word at themselves for absolutely no other reason than a flimsy excuse to continue to fuel some crusade.

EDIT: I also do not accept this as an example of hate speech of any kind.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby Zanz » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:34 pm

LukasV wrote:I admit to using a bastardized form of a typically derogatory term as a term of endearment, but I don't intend on apologizing unless Zanz calls it in. I'm not responsible if someone chose to redirect a word at themselves for absolutely no other reason than a flimsy excuse to continue to fuel some crusade.


My feelings on it aside, I'm not the one who should "call in an apology" from you here - intended as a term of endearment toward me or not, it's a word that has caused and continues to cause pain to humans, and as such it's not fit for this forum. Discord is Discord, the PT forum is the PT forum, and what flies on one doesn't fly on another. You are responsible, IMO, for how others interpret your words if those words have even a possible likelihood of being interpreted as offensive, because it's hardly a stretch at all to believe that someone would interpret the words as offensive.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby LukasV » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:39 pm

Fine. I rescind my statement on the grounds of maintaining decorum.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby jamescfm » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:58 pm

Further to Reddy's earlier comments, LukasV, Moderation is issuing you with an informal warning. It's clear that the remarks you made were deliberately crafted to target Aquinas while attempting to avoid being held accountable for them. Despite knowing that this thread is intended to combat the issues which surround hate speech and the targeting of players, you failed to treat a fellow 'with respect and courtesy' in your use of demeaning language. Please don't let it happen again.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby Cirith » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:21 pm

And this is why I have always avoided the OOC areas during my 7 years on and off over several accounts.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby Hrafn » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:56 pm

Polites wrote:To the list of protected groups I would however also add ethnicity (not explicitly mentioned as far as I can see, and not always the same thing as either race or national origin), as well as marital status.

Wut? Are singles a victim group now?
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby Aquinas » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:05 am

Okay, latest draft. Added "ethnicity" at Polites suggestion, and also added "nationality".

1. Respect.

All players and Moderators must be treated with respect and courtesy at all times.

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1.4 Players have a responsibility to avoid promoting hatred, harm or serious discrimination against individuals or groups. Amongst the groups explicitly recognised here are those based on race, ethnicity, nationality, national origin, religion or non-religion, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, physical disability, mental health condition and learning disability. This is a matter Particracy takes seriously, and those who egregiously or repeatedly fail to follow these guidelines will be subject to serious sanctions, which may include suspension or permanent removal from the game.

1.4.1 It is similarly unacceptable to disseminate pornography.
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby jamescfm » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:15 pm

1. Respect.

All players and Moderators must be treated with respect and courtesy at all times.

[...]

1.4 Moderation reserves the right to take action against statements deemed to be promoting hatred, violence or discrimination against individuals or groups. Among the groups explicitly recognised here are those based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexuality, gender identity and physical or mental disability. Players are required to comply with Moderation requests in this regard.

1.4.1 Moderation prohibits the publication of pornographic material.

Basically a combination of Aquinas', my and Reddy's suggestions. Thoughts?
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Re: Consultation on Offensive and Hate Speech Regulation

Postby Aquinas » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:41 pm

jamescfm wrote:
1. Respect.

All players and Moderators must be treated with respect and courtesy at all times.

[...]

1.4 Moderation reserves the right to take action against statements deemed to be promoting hatred, violence or discrimination against individuals or groups. Among the groups explicitly recognised here are those based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexuality, gender identity and physical or mental disability. Players are required to comply with Moderation requests in this regard.

1.4.1 Moderation prohibits the publication of pornographic material.

Basically a combination of Aquinas', my and Reddy's suggestions. Thoughts?


I would be happy enough with this.
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