GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

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GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby CCP » Thu May 03, 2018 6:06 am

Below are the draft Economic and Military Rankings compiled for the next roughly 6 month period by the Global Role Play Committee (GRC). These draft rankings are now open to comment from the community and will be finalized on May 10th.

If you wish to dispute a ranking, please remember to provide strong evidence that the GRC has overlooked something - links to RP (either on the forum or in game) are very helpful.

Subject: Global Role Play Committee Economic and Military Rankings (1/5/18-1/11/18)

Around every 6 months the Global Role Play Committee (GRC) drafts a set of rankings to determine the military and economic strength of nations in Particracy. They are based on a review of RP from each nation over the 6 month period and aim to add an extra dynamic to global RP. These rankings are binding for all nations except those nations which have opted-out of the Global Role Play Accord.

The rankings are predominantly a Role Play device, so if you wish to cite them in game/in character please refer to them as: "the Terran Economic and Military Power Lists produced by the Zardic Institute of International Relations".

***IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING NUMBERS USED IN MILITARY ROLE PLAY***

Some players have raised concerns regarding the use of numbers in munitions counts and troop compositions to misstate nations' military strength. It is the official policy of the Global Role Play Committee that numbers of troops, ships, aircraft, land vehicles, and strategic weapons should emerge from story-telling and should be used to enhance Role Play. Numbers should never be used as a substitute for Role Play or as an OOC tactic to discourage potential opponents. Rather than listing the number of soldiers or types of equipment your military has, the GRC encourages you to use RP to show what your military can do. Lists of the entire composition of a military are very difficult to maintain and lead to RP becoming an exercise in math rather than a story-telling. The GRC therefore officially discourages and advises against the creation and maintenance of comprehensive lists in favor of general descriptions. This policy is known as the Show, Don't Tell policy. While players who wish to use such lists when justified by RP as in the case of Orders of Battle during a live war may continue to do so, the GRC wishes to hereby inform players that such lists and numbers will be ignored by the GRC when compiling Military Rankings. Instead, the GRC will only take into account each nation's quality and quantity of Role Play and Objective Standards like relative Defence Spending.

***IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING USE OF AIRCRAFT CARRIERS, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND NUCLEAR SUBMARINES IN MILITARY ROLE PLAY***

The subject of aircraft carriers, nuclear weaponry, and nuclear submarines is a hot topic. It is the GRC's view that aircraft carriers, nuclear weapons, and nuclear submarines are viable (not necessarily likely!) for all nations of Terra so long as their acquisition, maintenance, and use is very well RP'd. In general, we believe Role Play should realistically reflect the prohibitive cost in time and resources required for such strategic armaments. Therefore our guidance and advice is that Great Military Powers and Very Strong Economies should generally experience protracted difficulty when seeking to acquire and maintain such armaments; Regional Military Powers and Strong Economies should generally experience prohibitive costs and delays when seeking to acquire and maintain such armaments; while lesser powers and smaller economies should experience daunting, near-insurmountable challenges when seeking to acquire and maintain such armaments. Acquisition of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons from rogue powers and Black Market sources may reduce acquisition costs if realistically Role Played, but such sources generally should not in any way reduce the prohibitive maintenance costs associated with these armaments.



Economic Ranking

Category Descriptions

Underdeveloped: These countries are the Third World nations of Terra, whose colonial regimes abused them in order to profit in days gone by. They have often been intentionally undeveloped or developed in such a way as to divide the people therein for the benefit of the metropole. They struggle to provide even basic healthcare or education to their people, and they are highly reliant on international aid and charity. These nations do benefit from the continued focus on the extraction economy, and they often can sell their goods at lower prices than most more developed nations on the international market.

Weak: These countries have economies typically centered around the agricultural or extraction sectors. Though some manufacturing might exist, if it exists on any large scale it is likely to be internationally owned and thus unprofitable for the host nation. Locals might have set up subsistence economies that emphasize manufacturing in the household (cottage industries) to compensate for the lack. Generally the people of these countries have poor education and health relative to more developed nations. The family unit and the community in these nations are likely to be very important to every day life, and people are likely to feel much less alienated than in the more automated and high-paced medium and high development nations. Pollution is largely a result of agricultural and extraction byproducts, and these are typically water pollutants. These nations are very often net exporters, but the goods they export may not get them too much in return.

Average: These countries have economies centered most heavily on manufacturing or extraction-based industries, but they might also have some clusters of post-industrial industries along side some agricultural industry. These countries have lower life expectancy, less education, and less income (primarily GDP per capita) than high development nations, but they can also generally boast higher employment than the increasingly automated high development nations, a more citizenry more generally engaged in the political sphere than in the more alienated high development nations, etc. These nations likely are more likely to be heavy polluters than many other nations. Though they are generally less active on international markets than high development nations, their economies often center around export and so trade is relatively important.

Strong and Very Strong: These countries have economies typically centered around services and high tech industries. Culture and political goals can influence what types of industries are most influential, e.g. the agricultural or manufacturing sectors are still important for certain real world high development economies, but these industries should be secondary and perhaps being phased out. More and higher quality education and health opportunities exist. These countries tend to have higher a GDP per capita and median incomes, although inequality may still persist. These countries typically have higher standards of living, but can also experience the consequences of such an economy, such as increased alienation, higher unemployment as automation increases, the decreased importance of the family unit, etc. These countries tend to be active on international markets, but don't necessarily always experience trade surpluses.

Nations in black font are at the same rank they were in the previous rankings.
Nations in red font are moved down in rank from where they were in the previous rankings.
Nations in green font are moved up in rank from where they were in the previous rankings.
Nations in grey font have opted out of the RP Accord and so this ranking is not binding for them, but merely a suggestion and guideline.
Nations in pink font have opted out of the RP Accord but are moved down in rank from where they were in the previous rankings as a suggestion and guideline.
Nations in light green font have opted out of the RP Accord but are moved up in rank from where they were in the previous rankings as a suggestion and guideline.

Weak
Alduria
al'Badara
Dankuk
Davostan
Dolgava

Egelion
Endralon
Gaduridos
Hobrazia
Hulstria

Jelbania
Kafuristan
Kalopia
Keymon
Kirlawa

Likatonia
Pontesi
Rildanor
Sekowo
Solentia

Telamon
Verona

Average
Aldegar
Aloria
Baltusia
Barmenistan
Beluzia

Beitenyu
Cildania
Cobura
Dundorf
Jakania

Kanjor
Kundrati
Lourenne
Lodamun
Mordusia

Narikaton and Darnussia
Saridan
Talmoria
Trigunia
Tukarali

Zardugal

Strong
Deltaria
Hawu Mumenhes
Hutori
Kalistan
Kazulia

Luthori
Malivia
Rutania
New Endralon/Kizenia
Valruzia

Selucia

Very Strong
Dorvik
Indrala
Istalia
Vanuku


Military Ranking

Category Descriptions

No Power: These are nations that are barely able to keep control of their own borders, much less project their influence anywhere else. This is reserved entirely for the Third World nations, unless the GRC decides they are otherwise. No Player nation will EVER have this rating, again, unless the GRC decides to RP a nation like this otherwise.

Small Power: Nations that have limited ability to defend themselves, but often are allied with larger and stronger states to ensure their continued independence or hyper isolationist. Their militaries are traditionally outdated, small, woefully trained, or a combination of all three. Its not uncommon for regional or greater powers to have substanial influences over these nations.

Middle Power: These are nations that are more then able to stand on their own and have the ability to defend themselves against other nations and their influences and can project their own influence to a very limited degree on their neighbors, although they will traditionally ally with greater nations, though more for reasons of cooperation and progress then an inability or worry to defend themselves in the world. Their militaries are usually modern, fairly well sized and trained or a combination of all three.

Regional Power: These are powerful nations that generally stand tall amongst their immediate neighbors, and more times often then not, are able to project their influence on them. While they have the capability to project their influence or power globally, it is limited and their power in primarily centred around home. Their militaries are generally modern, of sufficent size and training and have the ability to project themselves overseas of immediately against their neighbors.

Great Power: These are amongst the most powerful nations in the world, and have a great deal of influence both at home and abroad, with the ability to project their power globally, either politically, economically or militarily. They are generally considered regional hegemons in the absence of any other great powers. Their militaries are usually hyper modern, extremely well trained, usually quite large,and the ability to sufficently project considerable force overseas, though they are stronger closer to home. (Similar to the European Empires before WWI)

Nations in black font are at the same rank they were in the previous rankings.
Nations in red font are moved down in rank from where they were in the previous rankings.
Nations in green font are moved up in rank from where they were in the previous rankings.
Nations in grey font have opted out of the RP Accord and so this ranking is not binding for them, but merely a suggestion and guideline.
Nations in pink font have opted out of the RP Accord but are moved down in rank from where they were in the previous rankings as a suggestion and guideline.
Nations in light green font have opted out of the RP Accord but are moved up in rank from where they were in the previous rankings as a suggestion and guideline.

Small
Alduria
al'Badara
Barmenistan
Beluzia
Cobura

Dankuk
Davostan
Dolgava
Dundorf
Egelion

Endralon
Gaduridos
Hobrazia
Jelbania
Kafuristan

Kalopia
Kanjor
Keymon
Kirlawa
Kundrati

Likatonia
Lodamun
Mordusia
Pontesi
Rildanor

Sekowo
Telamon
Tukarali
Vorona

Middle
Aldegar
Aloria
Baltusia
Beitenyu
Cildania

Hawu Mumenhes
Hulstria
Indrala
Jakania
Kalistan

Lourenne
Narikaton and Darnussia
Rutania
Saridan
Selucia

Solentia
Talmoria
Zardugal

Regional
Deltaria
Hutori
Luthori
Malivia
New Endralon/Kizenia

Trigunia
Valruzia

Great
Dorvik
Istalia
Kazulia
Vanuku



Former Colonies Rankings

Due to the high quality of Role Play occurring in several Former Colonies since the last rankings, the GRC has chosen to allow the Former Colonies to improve their Rankings. However, because the Former Colonies have certain advantages (no elections or RP Consent bills) and disadvantages (no annexations or mergers) relative to the Player nations, they will be listed in separate Rankings from now on. These Former Colonies Rankings should be viewed as relative to each other and should not necessarily be compared to the rankings of the Player nations.

Former Colonies Economic Ranking

Underdeveloped
Bianjie
Cifutingan
Dalibor
Degalogesa
Hanzen

Istapali
Kimlien
Liore

Midway
New Alduria
New Englia
New Verham
North Dovani

Noumonde
Ntoto
Rapa Pile

Suyu Llaqta
Temania
Tropica
Utari Mosir
Utembo

Vanakalam
Xsampa

Weak
Kurageri
Ostland

Statrica

Average
Medina

Strong
None

Very Strong
None

Former Colonies Military Ranking

No Power
Bianjie
Cifutingan
Dalibor
Degalogesa
Hanzen

Istapali
Kimlien
Kurageri
Liore

Midway
New Alduria
New Englia
New Verham
North Dovani

Noumonde
Ntoto
Rapa Pile

Suyu Llaqta
Temania
Utari Mosir
Utembo

Vanakalam
Xsampa

Small Power
Ostland
Statrica
Tropica

Middle Power
Medina

Regional Power
None

Great Power
None
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby Yolo04 » Thu May 03, 2018 11:05 am

Why has Dankuk gone down from an average power to a weak power?
The RP we’ve provided I believe shows that we can be an average power
Why the demotion?
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby colonelvesica » Thu May 03, 2018 11:14 am

Why as Hutori been downgraded to a Middle Power from a Regional Power? Especially if nations that were woefully inactive on the military RP standpoint such as Trigunia and Zardugal were "upgraded" to Regional Power status.
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby CCP » Thu May 03, 2018 11:32 am

colonelvesica wrote:Why as Hutori been downgraded to a Middle Power from a Regional Power? Especially if nations that were woefully inactive on the military RP standpoint such as Trigunia and Zardugal were "upgraded" to Regional Power status.


Thanks for catching that one. It was a typo (was the lack of red font a clue?). Hutori should indeed be a Regional Power. The Rankings have been corrected.
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby lewiselder1 » Thu May 03, 2018 11:33 am

Yolo04 wrote:Why has Dankuk gone down from an average power to a weak power?
The RP we’ve provided I believe shows that we can be an average power
Why the demotion?


We can only look at RP deemed to be realistic when we make our rankings, and since there hasn’t been a great change since discussing this with you we cannot leave it at an average power.
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby colonelvesica » Thu May 03, 2018 11:43 am

CCP wrote:
colonelvesica wrote:Why as Hutori been downgraded to a Middle Power from a Regional Power? Especially if nations that were woefully inactive on the military RP standpoint such as Trigunia and Zardugal were "upgraded" to Regional Power status.


Thanks for catching that one. It was a typo (was the lack of red font a clue?). Hutori should indeed be a Regional Power. The Rankings have been corrected.
thought you might have missed the colour ;) but that works for me... more for my curiosity then anything; why are Trigunia and Zardugal being upgraded to Regional Power?
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby Sisyphus » Thu May 03, 2018 11:50 am

There is no justification for Vanuku to lose its Great Military Power Status - relative to the other decisions that have been made.

Please re-review the active, considered and realistic RP that has been put in by both republican and monarchist regime players over the last few months regarding the armed forces: the development of new carriers and naval projection methods, production of new military vehicles and small arms, new training methods and doctrines in co-ordination with other major powers such as Istalia, and major and successful participation in the Hulstro-International Community Conflict (the biggest conflict in the last six months RL).

The country has more than held its own against Dorvik, for instance, which has replaced it in the top rankings, and if the decision has been made due to regime change in Vanuku, then the same logic should be applied to Dorvik which has also flip-flopped between republicanism and monarchy several times over the last six months (RL).

I also agree with Vesica that Hutori has put in an excellent shift on good military RP over the course of the last six months and, if anything, should be pushing on great power status.

I would welcome feedback on this.
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby Yolo04 » Thu May 03, 2018 11:51 am

lewiselder1 wrote:
Yolo04 wrote:Why has Dankuk gone down from an average power to a weak power?
The RP we’ve provided I believe shows that we can be an average power
Why the demotion?


We can only look at RP deemed to be realistic when we make our rankings, and since there hasn’t been a great change since discussing this with you we cannot leave it at an average power.

My RP has (for the most part) has been realistic and based solely in reality. Do those come into play in this ranking?
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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby General.M » Thu May 03, 2018 2:08 pm

Sisyphus wrote:There is no justification for Vanuku to lose its Great Military Power Status - relative to the other decisions that have been made.

Please re-review the active, considered and realistic RP that has been put in by both republican and monarchist regime players over the last few months regarding the armed forces: the development of new carriers and naval projection methods, production of new military vehicles and small arms, new training methods and doctrines in co-ordination with other major powers such as Istalia, and major and successful participation in the Hulstro-International Community Conflict (the biggest conflict in the last six months RL).

The country has more than held its own against Dorvik, for instance, which has replaced it in the top rankings, and if the decision has been made due to regime change in Vanuku, then the same logic should be applied to Dorvik which has also flip-flopped between republicanism and monarchy several times over the last six months (RL).

I also agree with Vesica that Hutori has put in an excellent shift on good military RP over the course of the last six months and, if anything, should be pushing on great power status.

I would welcome feedback on this.

You explained your position, and we agree. I wasn't fully aware of all the RP Vanuku has done, and I am sorry for that. We will reinstate Vanuku as a Great Military Power.

colonelvesica wrote:more for my curiosity then anything; why are Trigunia and Zardugal being upgraded to Regional Power?

I can't speak for Zardugal, but I did suggest to upgrade Trigunia. First, I made the Keris and Macon rankings on the 1st of April, and I didn't predict the silence that would soon follow. In the period before I made the rankings, multiple RP'ers like Kubrick, Zanz, Audittori, Leob and falloutfan101 were all busy in Trigunia, including military RP. Seeing this, combined with a little hope for a rivalry between Hutori and Trigunia for the 2nd terran war, I upgraded them.



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Re: GRC Economic and Military Rankings (COMMENT PERIOD)

Postby Corvo Attano » Thu May 03, 2018 2:12 pm

Yolo04 wrote:
lewiselder1 wrote:
Yolo04 wrote:Why has Dankuk gone down from an average power to a weak power?
The RP we’ve provided I believe shows that we can be an average power
Why the demotion?


We can only look at RP deemed to be realistic when we make our rankings, and since there hasn’t been a great change since discussing this with you we cannot leave it at an average power.

My RP has (for the most part) has been realistic and based solely in reality. Do those come into play in this ranking?

Can you post here a few examples of your RP in a single post?
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