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OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Doc » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:41 pm

This forum thread will be used to OOC plan out a limited conflict between Lourenne and Kalistan, with Kazulia coming in on Lourenne's side in a limited basis.

The scope worked out so far is that Kalistan is upset that Lourenne is arming the Anantonese Ocean, which creates a security crisis for Kalistan, who is attempting to restore its military. Right now, Kalistan has next to no serviceable weapons, so Lourenne feels Kalistan's complaints are an irritant, and Kalistan is not justified in complaining about Lourenne's own security concerns, which it declares are in no way a threat to Kalistan.

Where we are right now: There might be a limited hot conflict that sparks from perhaps some sort of incident where either Kalistan attacks a Lourenne ship that gets too close to Kalistan's shores, or Lourenne fires on Kalistan first and sparks reaction. We haven't worked this out yet. Lourenne wants to have several naval battles, and Kalistan is down with this, but has expressed that realistically, the conflict will have to be very low level, given the inequality of power on both sides. Kalistan would like to limit combat deaths to 100 at most, but is willing to take the majority of these casualties. Eventually, Lourenne will invite Kalistan to talks that will resolve things, one way or another. Max in Kazulia would like to join the RP, and can possibly launch a limited response with Lourenne against Kalistani shipping/navy, or could serve as mediator if they don't want to join the combat.

We need to pass RP resolutions in our countries, but we can continue the war of words meanwhile in the Press. I will work up a draft RP resolution in Kalistan to satisfy the rules. Meanwhile, we can use this thread to plan the RP.
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Luis1p » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:03 pm

Howdy!

I think there should be small naval skirmishes between Kalistan and Lourenne. Obviously, The balance of power does not lean towards Kalistan, so conflict should be kept low. Possibly at least 100 casualties on each side. Not sure how Kazulia will come in as. Peacekeeping?
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Maxington » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:48 pm

I think Kazulia will act as a mediator through stressing the importance of keeping the straits between Ananto and mainland Kalistan open as it is international waters. It will most likely keep said straight open to the international community whilst ensuring the Kalistan and Lourenne find themselves in a peace process.
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Doc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:06 am

Kalistan sees that as a totally separate issue. The straits that would be disruptd would be between Ananto and Lourenne. I plan on closing the straits between Kalistan as soon as our treaty withdrawal of the Law of the Sea passes.

The conflict would be on the East side of Ananto: the west side we maintain is our territorial water and will start attacking ships who travel through there without permission.

Think of the Ananto Straits as a Kalistani Lake. ;)
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Luis1p » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 am

Doc wrote:Kalistan sees that as a totally separate issue. The straits that would be disruptd would be between Ananto and Lourenne. I plan on closing the straits between Kalistan as soon as our treaty withdrawal of the Law of the Sea passes.

The conflict would be on the East side of Ananto: the west side we maintain is our territorial water and will start attacking ships who travel through there without permission.

Think of the Ananto Straits as a Kalistani Lake. ;)



I see. How do you propose we escalate in the Anantonese between Lourenne and Ananto?
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Doc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:06 am

I suggest the following rough outline. We can feel free to modify this at will. I'm not married to it, and would be happy to read your suggestions but it is a start.

Kalistan has announced that Ananto Straits, on the west side of Ananto toward Mainland Kalistan will be closed as of January 1, when we leave the Law of the Sea Treaty. Lourenne and Kazulia can both express outrage over that violation of international waters. Meanwhile, Lourenne decides to show off some of its new hardware, sailing just inside International Waters off the west coast of Ananto. Nothing threatening, just "naval Maneuvers." We can do this part in the Papers.

I'll also put together an IC RP thread in International events. There's where the battles will go on, play by play. In the IC RP thread, I'll have three partisan LAFA (think Somali Pirate ships) move toward the Lourenne Navy. Lourenne can order them to halt in Carnilaise. Kali militia will not respond, but continue heading toward them. Lourenne can fire a warning shot, and Kali Partisans will open fire with the deck mount 50 caliber machine gun. Most of the bullets will go into the water, but a dozen or so can hit the aft of one of the Lourenne ships and cause some damage to the engine. At which point, the Lourenne ship blows the LAFA out of the water. and works to repair the damaged ship.

Kalistan responds. Within 6 months, I'll be able to put 3 destroyers on the sea (2 refitted from previous service, and 1 new one following Nationalization, which has just been accomplished.) Perhaps Lourenne will send its fleet into the international waters off Ananto, and the Lourenne Government, in the papers, can demand some sort of compensation. We can schedule 2 major Naval engagements, in which our two old destoryers are "retired" by Lourenne and perhaps Kazulia naval gun fire, and meanwhile, Kalistan can score a hit on a ship, blowing up the super structure and starting a deadly fire. we can work that out. Meanwhile, the LAFA swarms harrass Lourenne ships coming from Lourenne, but only maybe kill some ensign or another who is in the wrong place at the wrong time as the Partisans spray their ships.

I can offer to lose perhaps 20 of those LAFAs and both of my old recommissioned Ananto Class destroyers. I'm willing to drown up to 80 people from the destruction. I propose that Lourenne lose one ship of your choice, and only 20 men max.

When Kalistan sinks a Lourenne ship, Kazulia will step in, and perhaps threaten immediate Northern Council action against Kalistan to acquire a cease fire. The terms Kalistan would be happy with at the end would be a promise, guaranteed by Kazulia, that Lourenne will never attack Kalistan, and will acknowledge the closure of the Ananto Straits, (which is a non-issue for Lourenne, perhaps exclusively, because there will never be a reason that Lourenne would ever need to be there, unless it is to trade with Kalistan, though we can leave this unsaid.) In return, Kalistan promise to not harass Lourenne in the waters west of Ananto. But Kalistan will maintain its claims to dominance in the Anantonese Ocean, which nobody else recognizes anyway.

What do you both think?
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Maxington » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:41 am

I like the plan and would like to see in put into action. However, Kazulia knows that the reason it worked to dismantle the Jade Route is due to the same actions Kalistan is perpetrating, locking down an entire body of war which was once open to international trade. Kazulia wouldn't be keen to see its ships (commercial and military) and ships from other nations having to route around Ananto because Kalistan makes the claim that it is their strait and the movement of commercial and military ships through said strait is a breach of the nation's "sovereignty". In the end game, Kazulia is going to want to see commercial and military ships pass through the straits without harassment whilst allowing Kalistan to make the claim of sovereignty.
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Luis1p » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:42 pm

I like the plan :) I'll slowly begin moving ships torwards the strait. And pertaining to what Maxington said,
Kazulia is going to want to see commercial and military ships pass through the straits without harassment whilst allowing Kalistan to make the claim of sovereignty.


Will we implement this during the final stages of the conflict? Specifically speaking, the peace treaty?
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Maxington » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:48 pm

Luis1p wrote:I like the plan :) I'll slowly begin moving ships torwards the strait. And pertaining to what Maxington said,
Kazulia is going to want to see commercial and military ships pass through the straits without harassment whilst allowing Kalistan to make the claim of sovereignty.


Will we implement this during the final stages of the conflict? Specifically speaking, the oeace treaty?

Most likely however, that is up to whether Doc will agree with it.
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Re: OOC: Lourenne/Kalistan/Kazulia Conflict RP Planning

Postby Doc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:45 pm

Obviously, Kalistan can't sustain a quarantine of the Straits. I think the Straits can be part of the settlement, but I also would like something in trade for this from Kazulia. Maybe let me sink a supercarrier ship before you respond with a blockade and/or overwhelming force? :) That way I could agree to opening the Straits in the final peace while continuing to maintain that the Straits were robbed from Kalistan. We could agree that the Straits will be reopened and all shipping move unhindered, but Kalistan maintains the claim that those are our territorial waters.
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