Third World Naming

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Re: Third World Naming

Postby CCP » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:24 am

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Long story short: "Third World" was originally used to refer to countries with the Budget and Map Bugs (Lourenne, Sekowo, Talmoria, Verona). Other on-map countries were variously referred to as "third world" depending on how they were Role Played. In meta discussions, some players variably used "Second World" to refer to countries they perceived as neither very rich nor very poor.

So ICly, there were actually Four Worlds:

  • the Second World (middling countries)
  • the Third World (bugged countries and countries RPed as poor)
  • the Colonies were a Fourth World
  • and countries that owned colonies were the First World

When Liu Che lobbied moderation to ban colonies, no one was allowed to play the off-map countries at all. In the 2nd link, you can read part of the Public Consultation that led up to the creation of the RP Team. There, on-map countries (player nations) were still being referred to as "Third World." About a month after that thread, Zanz created the "Third World News Network" thread, which is still visible in the "Global News (RP Team)" forum. Zanz described the thread's purpose in the first post: "This thread will hold RP Team news posts related to Dovani's post-colonial, NPC nations."

So in the intervening month between the Nationmasters Public Consultation and Zanz's Thid World News Network thread, moderation (Aquinas at the time) had created the RP Team through a Game Rules change and given it the power to the control the Former Colonies. I don't remember if Aquinas's rules referred to "Former Colonies," "Third World," or both, but by the time the RP Team launched, someone on the RP Team and/or Aquinas had made the decision to refer to the Former Colonies as "Third World."

So the RP Team did not invent "Third World." But their OOC influence helped transform the meaning of the term from "bugged or poor country" to "NPC country." All player nations began being referred to as "First World" almost immediately after the RP Team was launched. I think that change reached a climax during the last Dovani War where several Former Colonies governments condemned "First World Nations" like Lourenne and Talmoria for intervening against Medina expansionism.

Given that record, I encourage you to consider building on that history rather than retconning because the RP record gives rise to additional interesting questions. For example, now that there are no colonial empires, does the "First World" exist anymore? If so, "Second World" couldn't reasonably be applied to rising powers like Lourenne, so which countries would it refer to if any?
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Re: Third World Naming

Postby Polites » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:33 am

CCP wrote:
Aquinas wrote:You made a comment about using the forum to dig through history.

Aquinas wrote:I'm not quite sure what the argument is you're trying to pick here.

I made a comment about leaving the term's origin unknown. But of course you couldn't resist an oppurtunity to project a little victimhood for yourself could you.

Aquinas wrote:But anyway, this has nothing to do with the topic

Which you knew before derailing the thread with another one of your "Aquinas should be the moderator" rants.

Aquinas wrote:so I'll be stopping here

Don't we wish.

Aquinas wrote:but do feel free to pm if you want to continue.

You're an obnoxious attention seeker. Shut up and PM yourself.


Aquinas wrote:I'm not quite sure what the argument is you're trying to pick here.


Needless to say, this is completely uncalled for. Not relevant to the thread, and not acceptable as a personal attack. Let's keep this on topic and civil please.

@Aquinas, I don't think CCP was trying to pick an argument, his post was just explaining that much information is either irretrievably lost or very difficult to access.

@CCP: Personal insults have no place here.

@all: sorry for derailing this thread. With this out of the way let's just get back on topic please.
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Re: Third World Naming

Postby jamescfm » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:27 pm

CCP wrote:Given that record, I encourage you to consider building on that history rather than retconning because the RP record gives rise to additional interesting questions. For example, now that there are no colonial empires, does the "First World" exist anymore? If so, "Second World" couldn't reasonably be applied to rising powers like Lourenne, so which countries would it refer to if any?

Thanks for doing the work on this. Nobody in this thread has suggested retconning and I don't think it was ever considered as an option. In my view, it seems logical that we explain the "change" in the usage of terms in a way that was mentioned earlier: through the use of some academic publishing a text that designated the former colonies as the new "Third World". Perhaps they could also suggest that the "Second World" no longer existed due to the large gap between the development of the playable nations and the non-playable ones. With that said, it would raise questions about why all the playable nations are deemed to be more developed than all the former colonies.
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