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Resignation

Postby Auditorii » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:39 pm

I knew that this post would come eventually, it was inevitable with the state of PT Classic. I didn't think it would be so soon but it happens.

I'm sure some of you will know, but some won't. I have resigned as Chairman of the Global Roleplay Committee. There is a dozen times when I could've done this but none have been as difficult and tumultuous as these past few weeks. I think that its fair that everyone knows what goes on behind the scenes especially with this Moderation staff. I'm sure that this will either result in my banning or this post disappearing or some smear campaign from a specific Moderator, or both. I'm not entirely sure.

First and foremost, I enjoyed serving as the Chairman of the Global Roleplay Committee for my tenure. I believe that we made many effective changes that unfortunately I do not believe will continue to see the light of day for much longer with the recent appointments. The GRC is a role that can be both difficult and easy, it should be made for veteran RPers who want to help build the story of RP instead of protect friends and allies because they bolster their in-game position, unfortunately, I don't think thats the case anymore but we've got to wait and see. I wish Elizabeth aka thefalloutfan the best but unfortunately I think that its pretty obvious that the appointment comes without a proper application process, without any input from team members and solely by 1 Moderator due to the fact that, unfortunately, CM is largely absent. For those who were concerned, it is in-fact a one party state in PT Classic Moderation. That's it.

Unfortunately I believe that many of these things that we wanted or that I had made, such as the Oil and Natural Gas resource list and the images will go to waste because they'll be changed to favor one group of players over the others. Or the Third World which unfortunately has been lacking due to the spread amount of work that the GRC has to do, will continue to go unnoticed. Unfortunately the player that is now solely in control over the GRC was removed from the GRC due to the fact that they did nothing. It took another several months for Aethan and Pragma to be removed from the team despite the fact that one of them hadnt had an in-game account for months and hasnt played PT Classic in the same amount of time. The other openly stated their intention to leave the team due to time constraints and issues with Moderation.

Second, the rules. I re-wrote the rules. You're going to hear the statement that "We didn't ask you to." You're right, no one asked me to but the rules even in their current state are mediocre because they were done without consultation. When I re-wrote the rules Luis and I asked that there was a consultation, none of that was done. We were told that things were changing and a specific Moderator openly made sure that note that consultations were stupid and were directly against what they felt had to be done. I went along because I felt that the rules as they were prior to the ones I re-wrote were even worse. We pushed the rules and there were some issues with them that we had to go back and rapidly edit without much ceremony or consultation. We added in quick fixes without being able to handle situations because we had 1 moderator who was dictating the terms.

I'll openly admit that I attempted to write the GRC into as much as possible because I didn't feel Moderators were adequate enough to handle the scope of the myriad of issues that come up with the way they've reacted in the past. This was also done on the increasing mantra that "Moderators do so much." when in reality, they vaguely answered player requests, they barely responded to players on the forums and increasingly became hostile towards players when approached with different or competing ideas. I think many former GRC members can openly attest that when we tried to right the ship, people were chided and cast off. Players who contributed much to the game such as James, who cast out as "do nothings" and contributed "nothing" when in reality they contributed more and more as Moderation continued their retreat. Players who contributed nothing were openly protected for some reason, those reasons I'll never claim to know.

Third, the use of the Moderator position to further in-game goals. I guess its fair that everyone knows what started this resignation from myself and Luis. terminallyGrumpy also know as TeaMcGee ingame and another player who plays in Jakania posted requests for one-party states. Essentially they wanted to outlaw other ideologies from being able to RP within their nations. I believe it was posted within the private section of the Discord regarding what we thought about these. Mr. God immediately responded that he was in favor of approving both of them. Luis and I disagreed because Jakania had next to no posts regarding any sort of anti-right wing or non-communist/socialist crack down and Dorvik had only recently flopped over to a radical socialist government, and by the own admission of the player there had only made 3 posts regarding the topic. Luis and I agreed that they should be denied, not permanently, but until more RP could be done to direct attention to the fact that they had limited RP and we cited thefalloutfan as the primary person to emulate. Several or more posts regarding the crackdown to the eventual outlawing. Incredibly well done, well written and generally a good read. Instead, we were told that they were going to override our decision because "we've approved less" but in reality, looking at the one party state approvals recently...it hasn't happened a whole lot.

While this seems relatively minor it seems that there were outside factors. Mr. God and Elizabeth (now on the GRC) approached Luis and attacked him for being close with Max and openly discussed Max and his "behavior". Also note that one of the central arguments was that what Max, myself, Luis and Vescia had done with the Northern Council was bad for the game and how we ruined RP and how it made the game "un-fun". Yet, this is precisely the behavior that Mr. God and his cohort are engaging in and attacking players who are on the outside of their little clique. I've been approached that Max is god-modding and power-playing by Elizabeth and explained that the Economic and Military rankings allowed some leeway. I've also been approached by players stating that Mr. God approached them and tried to get them to classic or back to classic to go to nations and join CARSS. I myself was harassed when I went to Pontesi to try to make something of the country and bombarded with messages even after bluntly stating that I had no intentions to go anywhere. It's clear that the decision by Moderation was made with the furthering of in-game goals in mind. I was told that it was a conspiracy theory despite providing numerous reasons on why it shouldn't be approved. We were told that it was "creating a harmful RP environment" by denying it when its obvious they misunderstand that creating one party states can dangerously unbalance the game in RP terms, can force players out of the game and can provide some toxic ownership complexes for players in nations.

Unfortunately, enforcing one-party states has become commonplace because players don't want their "work" threatened. However, we were asking for the direct opposite, we were asking for more RP to be able to provide background and context to such a truthfully, game-changing event. I’d also like to point out the handling of situations was incredibly mismanaged and done primarily out of emotion or dislike for a player, not rational facts and understanding.

PT Classic is in a sad state of affairs and it doesn't look like it will improve. I'll likely continue to play but who knows for how long and lets see how I'm treated following this. Thank you all very much for allowing me to be the Chairman of the GRC and I hope well for the future.
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Re: Resignation

Postby Luis1p » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:02 pm

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I'm quite saddened at the turn of events today. I will announce that I have resigned from the GRC after discussions that took place yesterday and today. My decision to leave was mainly about what Auditorii has posted about, to get into specifics this:
Auditorii wrote:Third, the use of the Moderator position to further in-game goals. I guess its fair that everyone knows what started this resignation from myself and Luis. terminallyGrumpy also know as TeaMcGee ingame and another player who plays in Jakania posted requests for one-party states. Essentially they wanted to outlaw other ideologies from being able to RP within their nations. I believe it was posted within the private section of the Discord regarding what we thought about these. Mr. God immediately responded that he was in favor of approving both of them. Luis and I disagreed because Jakania had next to no posts regarding any sort of anti-right wing or non-communist/socialist crack down and Dorvik had only recently flopped over to a radical socialist government, and by the own admission of the player there had only made 3 posts regarding the topic. Luis and I agreed that they should be denied, not permanently, but until more RP could be done to direct attention to the fact that they had limited RP and we cited thefalloutfan as the primary person to emulate. Several or more posts regarding the crackdown to the eventual outlawing. Incredibly well done, well written and generally a good read. Instead, we were told that they were going to override our decision because "we've approved less" but in reality, looking at the one party state approvals recently...it hasn't happened a whole lot.


I will say that we didn't reject the proposal of these RP law because we didn't want to reject the addition of yet another communist state, but we wanted there to be more RP to justify it, just as thefalloutfan101 (Elizabeth) had done with Dundorf. Yet, we were told that it wasn't really necessary and that RP laws like such had been accepted with lesser justifications.

I hate to say it, but I think moderation does not have the best wishes for Particracy Classic anymore. It has turned into a one man crew (w/ respects to Cm) and the people on the team clearly only want to advance their power in-game, which, in my opinion, is absolutely not the way a moderator should behave.

I'd also like to echo this:

Auditorii wrote: First and foremost, I enjoyed serving as the Chairman of the Global Roleplay Committee for my tenure. I believe that we made many effective changes that unfortunately I do not believe will continue to see the light of day for much longer with the recent appointments. The GRC is a role that can be both difficult and easy, it should be made for veteran RPers who want to help build the story of RP instead of protect friends and allies because they bolster their in-game position, unfortunately, I don't think thats the case anymore but we've got to wait and see. I wish Elizabeth aka thefalloutfan the best but unfortunately I think that its pretty obvious that the appointment comes without a proper application process, without any input from team members and solely by 1 Moderator due to the fact that, unfortunately, CM is largely absent. For those who were concerned, it is in-fact a one party state in PT Classic Moderation.


Little after our resignation, Elizabeth aka thefalloutfan101, was appointed to the GRC. I have much respect and best wishes for Elizabeth as a RPer and IRL, but I do not think there wasn't an acceptable application process for the GRC position. This addition only adds to the speculation about using OOC power to advance themselves in-game.

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And finally, I'd also like to echo this:

Auditorii wrote: While this seems relatively minor it seems that there were outside factors. Mr. God and Elizabeth (now on the GRC) approached Luis and attacked him for being close with Max and openly discussed Max and his "behavior". Also note that one of the central arguments was that what Max, myself, Luis and Vescia had done with the Northern Council was bad for the game and how we ruined RP and how it made the game "un-fun". Yet, this is precisely the behavior that Mr. God and his cohort are engaging in and attacking players who are on the outside of their little clique. I've been approached that Max is god-modding and power-playing by Elizabeth and explained that the Economic and Military rankings allowed some leeway. I've also been approached by players stating that Mr. God approached them and tried to get them to classic or back to classic to go to nations and join CARSS. I myself was harassed when I went to Pontesi to try to make something of the country and bombarded with messages even after bluntly stating that I had no intentions to go anywhere. It's clear that the decision by Moderation was made with the furthering of in-game goals in mind. I was told that it was a conspiracy theory despite providing numerous reasons on why it shouldn't be approved. We were told that it was "creating a harmful RP environment" by denying it when its obvious they misunderstand that creating one party states can dangerously unbalance the game in RP terms, can force players out of the game and can provide some toxic ownership complexes for players in nations


I really have no words for this and how hypocritical it is. Again, this is not how a moderator should act and I'm overall surprised that the players involved here are now in positions of say "power" in the game's administration. If anything, Maxington needs an apology for falsely labeling him as manipulative and behavior like this should not be accepted.


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I'm just overall dissapointed and shocked at how things turned out. Auditorii and I had great plans in store for the GRC and we did all that we could to try to make classic more enjoyable after the great exodus. I do think there is a blame on administration for not doing their best to make classic alive again. It's quite sad how quickly this game is deteriorating. As much as I love to RP with others on here, a lot of respect I had for this site and it's admin team is now gone. I hope that clear changes are made. because, this is unacceptable and should not happen. I had a great time being a member of the GRC once again, but this is not the way I would have wanted to leave. Thanks to everyone.
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Re: Resignation

Postby ChengherRares1 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:45 am

Wow. This is incredible. Whelp, the sad reality cannot be further denied.
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Re: Resignation

Postby SheikhOlorin » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:12 am

Auditorii wrote:Third, the use of the Moderator position to further in-game goals. I guess its fair that everyone knows what started this resignation from myself and Luis. terminallyGrumpy also know as TeaMcGee ingame and another player who plays in Jakania posted requests for one-party states. Essentially they wanted to outlaw other ideologies from being able to RP within their nations. I believe it was posted within the private section of the Discord regarding what we thought about these. Mr. God immediately responded that he was in favor of approving both of them. Luis and I disagreed because Jakania had next to no posts regarding any sort of anti-right wing or non-communist/socialist crack down and Dorvik had only recently flopped over to a radical socialist government, and by the own admission of the player there had only made 3 posts regarding the topic. Luis and I agreed that they should be denied, not permanently, but until more RP could be done to direct attention to the fact that they had limited RP and we cited thefalloutfan as the primary person to emulate. Several or more posts regarding the crackdown to the eventual outlawing. Incredibly well done, well written and generally a good read. Instead, we were told that they were going to override our decision because "we've approved less" but in reality, looking at the one party state approvals recently...it hasn't happened a whole lot.


I would like to kindly request my country not mentioned in this post. I do not know of your problems and I had and have no wish to contribute to or effect them in any way.

Please don't make me, directly or indirectly, a part of this business that I neither have adequate knowledge nor have interest of.

I would also like to add, that I would be willing to make further RP and infact, before this post was posted I did make further RP.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7533&p=147954&hilit=Jakania#p147954

This may not be your intention but with this post you're showing me, and I am sure some other unwilling countries, as a target for people to direct their hate towards as if we are golden boys of the moderation.
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Re: Resignation

Postby Auditorii » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:42 pm

SheikhOlorin wrote:
Auditorii wrote:Third, the use of the Moderator position to further in-game goals. I guess its fair that everyone knows what started this resignation from myself and Luis. terminallyGrumpy also know as TeaMcGee ingame and another player who plays in Jakania posted requests for one-party states. Essentially they wanted to outlaw other ideologies from being able to RP within their nations. I believe it was posted within the private section of the Discord regarding what we thought about these. Mr. God immediately responded that he was in favor of approving both of them. Luis and I disagreed because Jakania had next to no posts regarding any sort of anti-right wing or non-communist/socialist crack down and Dorvik had only recently flopped over to a radical socialist government, and by the own admission of the player there had only made 3 posts regarding the topic. Luis and I agreed that they should be denied, not permanently, but until more RP could be done to direct attention to the fact that they had limited RP and we cited thefalloutfan as the primary person to emulate. Several or more posts regarding the crackdown to the eventual outlawing. Incredibly well done, well written and generally a good read. Instead, we were told that they were going to override our decision because "we've approved less" but in reality, looking at the one party state approvals recently...it hasn't happened a whole lot.


I would like to kindly request my country not mentioned in this post. I do not know of your problems and I had and have no wish to contribute to or effect them in any way.

Please don't make me, directly or indirectly, a part of this business that I neither have adequate knowledge nor have interest of.

I would also like to add, that I would be willing to make further RP and infact, before this post was posted I did make further RP.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7533&p=147954&hilit=Jakania#p147954

This may not be your intention but with this post you're showing me, and I am sure some other unwilling countries, as a target for people to direct their hate towards as if we are golden boys of the moderation.


Unfortunately, you're post is the admission of precisely what we said that you and the player in Dorvik needed. More RP justification, let it be known this was not the sole issue that we resigned on and it's very obvious from the person selected to proceed me that its a favoritism pick rather than an appropriate pick to replace.

Let is be known also that time and time again we constantly asked for new laws to be implemented and we were told by a Moderator that "I was never trained on how to do that. I won't even bother" and when Luis and I explained, both being former Moderators on how to do it, we were met with resistance about how there are more important things to handle. I guess RP posts and pushing for your in-game allies to be appointed to favorable positions, or pushing them to have one-party states and not focusing on the administration and continued building of the game constitute more important things.
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Re: Resignation

Postby SheikhOlorin » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:58 pm

Auditorii wrote:
Unfortunately, you're post is the admission of precisely what we said that you and the player in Dorvik needed. More RP justification, let it be known this was not the sole issue that we resigned on and it's very obvious from the person selected to proceed me that its a favoritism pick rather than an appropriate pick to replace.

My point is not in response to any of your points nor do I care about those (considering my lack of both interest and previous knowledge), my point is a personal request at this point that my name not be mentioned in an issue that is unrelated to my general intent as a player.
By mentioning my country's name you're intentionally or unintentionally showing me as a target and I have no wish for that. I repeat, this is not related your discussion but is related to me as a person not wanting to be mentioned. Just say "X's in-game allies" for example. Do not bring me into your issue.
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Re: Resignation

Postby Auditorii » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:06 pm

SheikhOlorin wrote:
Auditorii wrote:
Unfortunately, you're post is the admission of precisely what we said that you and the player in Dorvik needed. More RP justification, let it be known this was not the sole issue that we resigned on and it's very obvious from the person selected to proceed me that its a favoritism pick rather than an appropriate pick to replace.

My point is not in response to any of your points nor do I care about those (considering my lack of both interest and previous knowledge), my point is a personal request at this point that my name not be mentioned in an issue that is unrelated to my general intent as a player.
By mentioning my country's name you're intentionally or unintentionally showing me as a target and I have no wish for that. I repeat, this is not related your discussion but is related to me as a person not wanting to be mentioned. Just say "X's in-game allies" for example. Do not bring me into your issue.


Please cite the rule in which I must adhere to your demand? There is none and there is no reason that you need to act so defensively, it implies some sort of complicity with the situation. It's a statement of fact rather than a statement of opinion. There are plenty of posts that directly mention people and their countries that they were involved in, so I do not believe there is a fair precedent for your request. Plus, any editing of my original post by Moderation will be yet another gross misuse and over-extension of their already abused authority.
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Re: Resignation

Postby SheikhOlorin » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:30 pm

Auditorii wrote:
SheikhOlorin wrote:
Auditorii wrote:
Unfortunately, you're post is the admission of precisely what we said that you and the player in Dorvik needed. More RP justification, let it be known this was not the sole issue that we resigned on and it's very obvious from the person selected to proceed me that its a favoritism pick rather than an appropriate pick to replace.

My point is not in response to any of your points nor do I care about those (considering my lack of both interest and previous knowledge), my point is a personal request at this point that my name not be mentioned in an issue that is unrelated to my general intent as a player.
By mentioning my country's name you're intentionally or unintentionally showing me as a target and I have no wish for that. I repeat, this is not related your discussion but is related to me as a person not wanting to be mentioned. Just say "X's in-game allies" for example. Do not bring me into your issue.


Please cite the rule in which I must adhere to your demand? There is none and there is no reason that you need to act so defensively, it implies some sort of complicity with the situation. It's a statement of fact rather than a statement of opinion. There are plenty of posts that directly mention people and their countries that they were involved in, so I do not believe there is a fair precedent for your request. Plus, any editing of my original post by Moderation will be yet another gross misuse and over-extension of their already abused authority.


You're clearly misrepresenting what I am saying, as I underlined again and again, this is a request. I do not obligate you to anything nor do I act defensively. I just don't want to be made part of a debate that I neither fully understand not care. Your argument for "being complicit" in whatever "crime" there is is meaningless as the only reason I am in any way related to this issue is that under my governance Jakania was a Socialist country so naturally I joined an international Socialist organization that I also thought would perhaps even help me RP better. And that is because I am a left-wing Anarchist in real life.

Like I said and continued to say from the beginning, I do not have the authority to obligate you to do anything, nor is my wish based on any forum rule. This is a personal request as I don't want to be named in a very large issue that I don't want to be a part of.
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Re: Resignation

Postby Aquinas » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:57 pm

For technological reasons I have been unable to access Discord for the last few days, so bear in mind that in writing this post I am responding only to what I have seen on the forum.

Auditorii and Mr. God are both strong personalities and, at times difficult personalities to deal with. They are also not always the best communicators or organisers. In saying this, I am probably not saying anything too controversial, at least not to anyone who has had significant experience with them both.

I have my own different issues with each of them, but I would also say - and this might surprise a few people - that I genuinely thought they were the best chance Particracy Classic had left. Whatever their limitations, they are both passionate about and committed to Particracy Classic - far more so, I sensed, than any of the other GRC/Moderation members.

Odd as this partnership seemed, I genuinely hoped it would work, although with that said, I cannot say I am too surprised that it broke down. It is hard not to suspect this was partly due to the personality issues, but that may not be the only factor here. As I pointed out in February, the Game Rules have been rewritten to award the GRC an unprecedented scope of authority, to the extent where it is essentially taking on "referee" functions which are properly the preserve of Moderation. Even without the involvement of personalities like Auditorii and Mr. God, sooner or later it was probably inevitable that with such a bizarre and unwieldy structure as this, there would be conflict between GRC members and Moderation.

Auditorii has now pretty much openly admitted he rewrote the rules to drastically extend the authority of the GRC, essentially because, as the most active and dominant force in the GRC, he believed he was more competent to run the game than the Moderators were. This was a fairly audacious attempt by Auditorii, a person with a complex background in Particracy (to put it generously...) to become a Moderator in all but name, with wide-ranging authority across all RP related aspects of the game. Whilst on one level I might admire his chutzpah, on a serious level, this should never have happened, and the fact that it did brings Wouter's and Moderation's sense of judgement into question.

I am a little sceptical of the way Auditorii, and also Luis, are now trying to present themselves as "reformers". They are now calling for transparency, accountability and free discussion, yet their own past behaviour has not contributed to a climate that is conducive to that. So many times, they have been the first in the queue to shout people down when they have raised legitimate concerns about the way things are being done. They complain about weak administration, yet they themselves, when they have been in positions of responsibility, have often been part of that very same problem. They say they want consultations, and yet, as I outlined in my February post, they actually disregarded the rules they themselves had introduced in order to avoid holding a consultation on significant changes they made to the RP rules. And as can be seen, when I raised that and other important issues, neither they nor any of the other GRC members nor either of the Moderators demonstrated even the basic courtesy to acknowledge my post, let alone take the time to engage with the issues it raised.

It is no secret there are long-running problems with the way Particracy Classic is run. To be fair, these pre-date the current team of Moderators, although they do seem to have intensified on their watch. There is poor administration. There is a lack of responsiveness. There is a lack of transparency, accountability and consultation, and a distinctive attitude and an approach on the part of Moderators which works against all of those 3 things.

It is fairly well-established, I think, that I am not a massive enthusiast for what has been going on in Particracy. Few people can have put more time and energy into trying to turn things around as I have. Even if we could get to a stage where the administration of the game and its documentation looks less like it was organised by a 13yo, I would be at least somewhat content. But it seems, much of the time, that even that is too much to hope for.

Even with all of that said, though, I have questions in my mind about whether everything Auditorii and Luis are coming out with against Mr. God is really fair and rings true.

We have had a suggestion Mr. God is going to run a "smear campaign" against Auditorii. Is there any evidence for this? Or any evidence Mr. God has done this type of thing before?

There is a suggestion Mr. God is using his Moderator authority and and his ability to appoint GRC members in order to pursue his personal in-game agendas. Is there any substantive evidence for this?

It is, BTW, certainly arguable that it is ill-advised for a Moderator to get deep into RP involving powerful international alliances etc., particularly when they are in effect the only Moderator in the game. I had not realised the extent of the concerns about his RP until the last few days, although I cannot say I am completely surprised by it either. For myself, I'm a little concerned about the way Temania, the ex-colony he controls, seems to be becoming a vassal state of his in-game nation, Deltaria. TBH it is not that I particularly object to the RP, but more about the process involved. ie. With no Third World Co-Ordinator in place, there is no obvious person around who could hold that RP to account.

In the past, there had been a convention of Moderators steering away from controversial, high-power RP. As some will remember, during the periods when I was the sole Moderator, I abstained from playing the game, not because I didn't want to play, but because I took my responsibilities seriously and wanted to try to avoid any perceptions of in-game biases swaying my judgement at a time when there was no other Moderator who could be appealed to.

So there is, in my view, definitely a discussion to be had about how Moderators balance their in-game activity as players with their Moderator responsibilities, and I think Mr. God would be sensible to acknowledge this. But is there, at the moment, actually any substantive evidence that Mr. God has acted corruptly? As I say, I've been away from Discord for a while and it's possible I've missed some stuff...but at least from what I can see right now, there are indications that a few things are possibly inappropriate and that there is a need for checks and balances, but none that really seriously point towards him acting corruptly in order to pursue personal in-game goals. Again, if I am wrong and have missed some stuff, please show me the evidence.

To sum up how I feel, the GRC needs to focus on being a creative and organising RP force in the game instead of involving itself in the enforcement of rules. Seriously, when you see GRC members talking and acting like Moderators all the time, you can tell the GRC has lost sight of its main purpose, which is to create and assist RP.

Likewise, Moderation members needs to focus on refereeing and administrating the game, whilst, as players, keeping a sensible distance from really controversial and really divisive RP situations. Before anyone accuses me of pursuing a "you want to stop Moderators playing the game" agenda, no, I'm not. This is common-sense and is essential if Moderators are to retain the trust of their fellow Moderators, GRC members and the player community at large.
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