Concerns on War in Majatra

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Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Luis1p » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:01 pm

Alrighty, so we've come to the point of another war in PT. Exciting. Another Majatran war to go down in the books. Y'know it's really exciting to see war RP, but I'm just concerned with how fast things are going and the realism of a few things.

So, this all started off with tensions over the nuclear detonation here, which raises concern for me and that is:

1. How did Deltaria, who just recently became a regional power, acquire nuclear weapons so quickly? AND
2. What are the new standards and requirements in place for nuclear weapons? considering, back then when a great power had nuclear weapons it was cosidered rare and difficult to acquire.


So, then this tension escalates to an invasion of Jakania. Ok, that's cool. I'm just concerned at the fact of how quickly it ended. According to the post, it took approximately 3 months. I believe this ended too quickly. we're talking about a middle power vs a new regional power. I'm sure the war in Jakania should've been a bit longer, there is just no way two powers of almost equal strength are finished fighting within 3 months and If this is realistic in some way, then how is it realistic? where is the RP to back that up?

Now, shortly after Jakania fell. The Istalians' fleet was basically ended. Which was today's post here. And i mean, c'mon lets look at some lines from the post.

This second attack costed Istalia 2 cruisers, a frigate and 4 destroyers with one of its two aircraft carriers badly damaged against the cost of just one R-37 stealth multirole aircraft for the Deltarians


There's no way this amount of damage cost Istalia a whole fleet and jet fighter to deltaria. Let's be real.

And this:
With the loss of a aircraft carrier, 7 destroyers, 3 cruisers and 2 frigates and severely damaging many more ships within the home fleet.

The Imperial Deltarian Navy only lost 3 R-37 stealthplanes and suffered light damage on one of its submarines, making this a total and decisive action by the Deltarian Armed Forces."


I'm failing to understand how Deltaria loses basically nothing and Istalia's fleet is basically over. These numbers should be changed, its just too unrealistic. We're talking about 2 regional powers fighting each other, like there should be way more damage on both side. And how was Deltaria able to do this in the first place RP-wise? Carrier? How did it get those? How did the ships get in range without raising alarm?

Its just too unrealistic, the numbers should be way heavier on the Deltarian side. But, I guess what's bothering me most is that Istalia, hasn't even passed their RP consent bill: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill. ... lid=608804.

Who is RPing for Istalia? Has everyone agreed to it? I'd say the same thing for Jakania? did players agree etc etc. Did Deltaria pass a RP bill?
It bothers me the most because, y'know, the game rules come into play and all and nobody should be going around the game rules.

A response to the points I've made would be appreciated
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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Rogue » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:58 pm

Hi Luis.

Thank you for your questions. As this is about the RP i conducted together with several other players i will answer your questions one by one.

1. How did Deltaria, who just recently became a regional power, acquire nuclear weapons so quickly?

During its time as a Great Power Deltaria had started its nuclear development program and worked on its quite extensively. Conducting, just like now, nuclear tests on both land and in the majatran sea. This eventually didnt lead to the creation of a actual deployable bomb for Deltaria but did lead to it making significant progress in that process which was, as you might assume, stored. Recently (10 IG years ago or so) Deltaria once again actively pursued its nuclear ambitions and used the experience gained from the previous period of development to go on and actually try to aquire a working bomb now. After several posts about it it finally did, with severe consequences for itself and most of Majatra. Unnoficially the Deltarian nuclear program took over 150 IG years to develop. Officially the entire program was actively worked on (in RP) for around 40 years. Extensive RP on deltarian nuclear development with a total of around 10 posts about its development let to it, eventually (or finally as some may describe it) aquiring nuclear weapons. It did not start its program 10 years ago. It has a extensive track record.


2. What are the new standards and requirements in place for nuclear weapons? considering, back then when a great power had nuclear weapons it was considered rare and difficult to acquire.

This is still the case. Aquiring nuclear weaponry is considered to be a lenghty and expensive process. And as explained above Deltaria has been through this process.


3. Why did the istalian fleet suffer so much and Deltaria only had minimal lossess.

I agree with you on this one. I might have overstepped with the low losses of my own fleet. Therefor i will be changing it to several of my submarines being damaged (including one sunk) and additional fighters being downed, including one of my cruisers damaged as it sailed away after the attack.

On the question How did deltaria do this and does it have carriers? the answer is yes. It does. Again during its time as a great power Deltaria put extra effort in its naval forces. Building 3 Yegorovich carriers at first. Before entering a lenghty process of designing, developing and constructing its own Nuclear powered AC named the "Nemec class carrier" of which it build two during that time. In total Deltaria thus possesses 3 "older" carriers and 2 "modern" carriers. They were repaired, remodelled and modernized shortly after the Czarist regime got into power.

4. Why hasnt istalia posted any RP bill (same accounts for Jakania)?

I have had extensive talks with Axxell, long time player of Istalia and currently in its government, about the attack. Working out its details and discussing it together. We came to an agreement and executed the idea. My fault is indeed not creating RP laws to compliment these agreements. Even though both Jakania and Istalia agreed to their respective RP's i should still have made RP bills to complement these agreements (i rarely ever did major RP's like this, so its new territory for me in which ill have to learn) So i will certainly do this in the future. Jakania (RedReaper) and i also discussed the invasion. And as can be seen by the RP post he made he is fully working with me on that RP.


5. How did the war in Jakania end so quickly?

Me and Red came to the agreement about the duration of the initial war. We weighed in several factors. First of all we weighed in the fact that Jakania has had zero to no military RP for quite some time with a small amount of it several months ago but other then that nothing, making its military rather weak and ill prepared. Secondly we have to keep in mind that, with the new Dynamic ranking system we "reset" the rankings basically. Which moved Deltaria from a Great Power to a Middle power overnight. This means that deltaria was still, when the Czar was installed, in the possession of a massive armed force. Which was indeed in decay, but far from weak. Following the modernizations and repair/training programs of the czarist regime this massive force, still pretty much the same force as when it was a great power. Was fully operational once more. All this combined with the fact that Deltarian forces attacked out of total suprise, without any indication beforehand of the attack happening. Caused the invasion to be so brief. After this however a guarilla war will launch, which Red will start to RP soon.

You could basically see this entire RP as the last "Roar" of the Deltarian bear. As its old militaristic attitude combined with its still large competent armed force and its despotic form of government is giving a last kick against its enemies as, you may have seen coming, there is absolutely no intention of Deltaria winning this conflict at all.

I hope to have answered your questions sufficiently. If you have any more of them feel free to ask!
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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Sisyphus » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:01 am

Hi,

As Vanuku wants to be part of this RP. I have a few questions and a suggestion:

Given what Deltaria has done - (nuclear testing in the Majatran Sea, invasion and atrocities in Jakania, attack on Istalian fleet) there are now several nations queuing up to conduct military action against Deltaria. Vanuku, is certainly one of them, Istalia, Dorvik, Kalistan etc. Conversely, Dankuk has made noises about attacking Vanuku if it launches an attack against Deltaria.

So, how do we accommodate all these nations getting involved? What do they need to do to take part? Who do they go to for permission to be involved in the RP?

Also, how is this RP scenario going to pan out? You mentioned that this will be seen as the "Last Roar of the Deltarian Bear", which sounds good, but what is actually going to happen? Will Jakania be liberated, then Deltaria invaded and regime change enacted?

Those are my questions. My suggestion is that the lead RPer - presumably you, Mr God - sets up both an OOC and IC thread on the forum for the war in which we can post our thoughts. In the OOC one you can set out a brief narrative at the top post (continually edited and refreshed) so everyone knows what direction we are going in. It also can set out a list of countries involved on either side, with a lead RPer in each country as a point of contact.

We did similar back during the Hulstria war versus the International Community when I was playing as Stuntmonkey - see here: (viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7663) and here: (viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7700) which helped to ensure everyone stayed on message and made the RP enjoyable and realistic.

Anyway, I'd appreciate your feedback.

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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Yolo04 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:40 pm

Sisyphus wrote:Hi,

As Vanuku wants to be part of this RP. I have a few questions and a suggestion:

Given what Deltaria has done - (nuclear testing in the Majatran Sea, invasion and atrocities in Jakania, attack on Istalian fleet) there are now several nations queuing up to conduct military action against Deltaria. Vanuku, is certainly one of them, Istalia, Dorvik, Kalistan etc. Conversely, Dankuk has made noises about attacking Vanuku if it launches an attack against Deltaria.

So, how do we accommodate all these nations getting involved? What do they need to do to take part? Who do they go to for permission to be involved in the RP?

Also, how is this RP scenario going to pan out? You mentioned that this will be seen as the "Last Roar of the Deltarian Bear", which sounds good, but what is actually going to happen? Will Jakania be liberated, then Deltaria invaded and regime change enacted?

Those are my questions. My suggestion is that the lead RPer - presumably you, Mr God - sets up both an OOC and IC thread on the forum for the war in which we can post our thoughts. In the OOC one you can set out a brief narrative at the top post (continually edited and refreshed) so everyone knows what direction we are going in. It also can set out a list of countries involved on either side, with a lead RPer in each country as a point of contact.

We did similar back during the Hulstria war versus the International Community when I was playing as Stuntmonkey - see here: (viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7663) and here: (viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7700) which helped to ensure everyone stayed on message and made the RP enjoyable and realistic.

Anyway, I'd appreciate your feedback.

Cheers!


Chief, I can’t answer your other questions but I can answer your questions on Dankuk’s involvement.

We aren’t getting involved in the war, at least not militarily. Our threats to attack Vanuku were in reference to the usage of a preemptive strike by Vanuku against Deltaria, rather than the current situation which is a defensive war against Deltaria.

However, Dankuk will continue trading with Deltaria and will be sending convoys to escort our cargo ships. Whether that leads to anything is up to anyone who wants to blow em up.

Anyway, glad I could answer at least one of your questions.
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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Sisyphus » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:17 am

Thanks for the clarification,Yolo.

If this conflict does go ahead I will be pushing for a naval blockade of Deltaria to stop it being supplied by its allies, so we may yet come to blows over this approach.
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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Kubrick » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:44 pm

I second everything Sisyphus has stated. Furthermore, the big boy war on Hulstria is an excellent example of a global conflict done right. Study it closely and follow its example. That was an RP war without OOC bitching, drama and miscommunications - a great thing to try and reproduce.

And a tip for Mr.God: communicate with everyone involved about what is and what is not realistic. I do share some of the concerns shared with Luis. Tone it down, find some balance, don't rush it. Especially not with your name in green, that adds another layer of responsibility to you.
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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Yolo04 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:36 am

Sisyphus wrote:Thanks for the clarification,Yolo.

If this conflict does go ahead I will be pushing for a naval blockade of Deltaria to stop it being supplied by its allies, so we may yet come to blows over this approach.


No problem Chief

If my ships are stopped by a blockade, they’ll simply turn around and the government will lie and say they where allowed through
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Re: Concerns on War in Majatra

Postby Rogue » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:26 pm

Well for everyone involved in the war pls join in on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8578#p151130
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