QV73 wrote:I did not suggest Vesica and Farsun would ever cap the ability of the former colonies because they're primarily non-white, but the idea that the vast majority of the game's African-culture-based nations and many of the asian-culture-based ones should remain permanently poor and powerless elicits a bit of a 'yikes' from me. I never suggested that's the motivation for it, but it is something we really ought to keep in mind.
Auditorii wrote:As for the rest of the discussion, we're content with the slightly different power scale that TW nations. Vesica and I are content with no TW nation becoming a Great Power because we believe that should be reserved for the in-game, "player" nations as that is the primary function of the game. The addition of these former colonies and territories was always meant as an addition to the game in terms of adding in areas where the RP is primary focus versus "game mechanics" such as elections, party management, etc. We've kind of "capped" the TW nations at being regional powers which we feel for the TW nations is enough, does this mean that it cannot change? No but it means that in the near future we don't have the intention of a TW "Great Power".
Lucipher wrote:Auditorii wrote:As for the rest of the discussion, we're content with the slightly different power scale that TW nations. Vesica and I are content with no TW nation becoming a Great Power because we believe that should be reserved for the in-game, "player" nations as that is the primary function of the game. The addition of these former colonies and territories was always meant as an addition to the game in terms of adding in areas where the RP is primary focus versus "game mechanics" such as elections, party management, etc. We've kind of "capped" the TW nations at being regional powers which we feel for the TW nations is enough, does this mean that it cannot change? No but it means that in the near future we don't have the intention of a TW "Great Power".
Personally I'd disagree with that sentiment at the end there, that no forum-based nation should be of great power status. If the person doing to rp on a TW nation works and works to get it to what would be in the first world nations as "great power", but was unable to achieve that status, it seems a little unfair and ridiculous. Obviously everyone wants their nation to be a great power a la Kazulia, Dorvik, or Hutori but it does but a damper on the enthusiasm to rp in those nations. I think a better solution would be to have a one- or two-nation cap on TW great powers, which would help focus the great powers in the FW but also give motivation and competitiveness for TW nations.
Auditorii wrote:"decolonized for over a thousand IG years" doesn't equate necessarily the same way for TW nations and "player" nations. TW nations have had far less RP, many of them going long periods of time being totally empty and devoid of any significant events. As for the countries that you've mentioned they've had DOZENS of players who contributed HUNDREDS of posts and articles to build them up to where they are, so that is not an equal footing regardless of current player count or status. It is completely different.
Luis1p wrote:I mean, being the player in Lourenne, and the only player in there for most of the time, I don't see why someone playing in the TW nations shouldn't be given an equal opportunity and chance to rise to a higher ranking, even up to a GP.
I'm not saying that they can't rise at the moment or don't have that opportunity. But perhaps the limits/cap on the TW rankings could be changed or just eliminated. Yes, it definitely is a very difficult job to try and get an underdeveloped nation to great power status. But I mean, if I could do it, even with the broken IG systems that I don't even use, why shouldn't someone else do so with a TW nation?
I'm all for improving the current rankings of the TW system and eliminating any of the caps in future should everyone agree on it. In my preference, nothing should really stand in the way of a player who is willing to RP to a certain status
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