Aquinas wrote:I am grateful for, and personally touched, by the support I have received from players, both privately and on this thread.
For the reasons explained in my previous post, I am serving under a nation ban in all but name in Malivia at the moment, due to the situation Vesica, as a Moderator, has created.
In order to move forwards, I propose Moderation give me an assurance they see nothing in my RP in Malivia which they would wish to move against, and that in terms of how they enforce the rules, they see no reason why I should hesitate to rejoin there.
A personal apology from Vesica, and an acknowledgement of the difficulties he has caused for me personally and also some others who were involved in Malivia's RP, would be appreciated.
colonelvesica wrote:Aquinas wrote:I am grateful for, and personally touched, by the support I have received from players, both privately and on this thread.
For the reasons explained in my previous post, I am serving under a nation ban in all but name in Malivia at the moment, due to the situation Vesica, as a Moderator, has created.
In order to move forwards, I propose Moderation give me an assurance they see nothing in my RP in Malivia which they would wish to move against, and that in terms of how they enforce the rules, they see no reason why I should hesitate to rejoin there.
A personal apology from Vesica, and an acknowledgement of the difficulties he has caused for me personally and also some others who were involved in Malivia's RP, would be appreciated.
You under no such nation ban, real or otherwise. You are free to return to Malivia or any other nation in Particracy as is your freedom as a player.
I completed an actual investigation of your Role Play in Malivia four days ago, assuming this request or question was going to pop up. Under a purely impartial view, without any my own personal bias entering into it, your Role Play is fine. It doesn't break any official rules or community guidelines. If it did, I'm sure someone would have lodged an official compliant about it.
So answering one of your question directly, with a straight answer; there are no Rules within the Confines of the Game Rules you have breached with your Role Play that would get your Role Play reversed, retconned or overturned, and get yourself banned. I see quite literally, no reason for you not to rejoin any nation within the game.
I will state, for the record Aquinas, I do not believe you to be a RL OOC racist in any way shape or form. As has been noted, several players have played racial stereotypes before, and nothing has happened to them. We have allowed actual genocidal apartheid fascists to exist in this game, without anything being moved against them, because we do not believe that the player themselves holds those Real World views.
colonelvesica wrote:You publicly asked for assurances from the Moderation Team that there would be no potential issues with your Role Play if someone did chose to file a compliant, as a criterion for your return to Malivia. Under those criteria I investigated your Role Play through the lens of the Game Rules for potentional breaches. None were found, completing your request, leading to the assurances you received in my prior post.
Regarding any past, current or potential future investigations, that is not up for open discussion. Neither are the potential sanctions that could arise from those investigations, as is covered and stated under Section 1.3 of the Game Rules.
If any players were to be investigated and sanctioned they would be informed directly by Moderation.
As for the deletion and retcon of older Role Play posts that is covered under Section 6.4 of the Game Rules, which give Moderation sole authority over retcons along with its ultimate determination and discretion to its enforcement. I can state I am unlikely to delete or retcon past Role Play without sufficient reason and justification and will encourage other Moderators, for as long as I remain in my position, to observe the same restraint.
Vesica wrote:I have not censured you in any way or nor made any movement directly against your Role Play as I have no received any direct complaints.
Vesica wrote:I have received so official complaints about your Role Play in thr appropriate channel and thread, and until I do so, you are free to continue to tell the stories as you please.
Vesica wrote:...if Chitin or I receive an complaints about players Role Play we will investigate them at that time
Vesica wrote:As long as that Role Play doesn't violate the community guidelines or game rules, I will not intervene. If players have an issue with others Role Play or being offensive or racist, there is a dedicated thread for that for Moderation to investigate
Your Role Play was never logged there
Vesica wrote:...you personally do not enter my thoughts on a daily or even a weekly basis.
Vesica wrote:...you frankly don't rate that high.
Vesica wrote:Needing a smear campaign would imply I rate you high enough on my to do list to have the time or patience for such an endeavor. I don't.
Vesica wrote:There is no organised player base out to get you. That would imply you rate high enough on that many players agendas rather than enjoying the game. I sincerely doubt it.
Vesica wrote:You are not that important to me.
Vesica wrote:...you are, as I have stated repeatedly, not that high on my list.
Given you say investigations are "not up for open discussion", I am curious why you previously announced on the public Discord server that you would investigate my RP for being "offensive" and "racist" if anyone submitted a complaint, despite the fact there is not has never been any rule or precedent whatsoever which entitles Moderators to ban RP on those patently disingenuous grounds. Let me remind you again of your words:Vesica wrote:I have not censured you in any way or nor made any movement directly against your Role Play as I have no received any direct complaints.Vesica wrote:I have received so official complaints about your Role Play in thr appropriate channel and thread, and until I do so, you are free to continue to tell the stories as you please.Vesica wrote:...if Chitin or I receive an complaints about players Role Play we will investigate them at that timeVesica wrote:As long as that Role Play doesn't violate the community guidelines or game rules, I will not intervene. If players have an issue with others Role Play or being offensive or racist, there is a dedicated thread for that for Moderation to investigate
Your Role Play was never logged there
You have now changed your tune, suggesting you will investigate any player you choose for any "offence" you conceive (presumably even if it does not even exist in the rules) and that you will do it without showing any transparency or accountability towards the player community. Please could you explain why you have done this? Are you now shifting your approach, investigating and sanctioning players for allegedly "racist" or "offensive" RP privately instead of publicly, and forbidding them from discussing their experiences and concerns? Are you really sure this is the right approach to take in a small political roleplaying community like this one, where mature discussions about the way the game is run are both inevitable and essential?
Also, I noted in your previous post that you could find no fault with my RP and that you do not find that I am a racist person. Given this, I am curious as to what your thinking was in, as a Moderator, so publicly branding my RP as "racist" and "offensive" in the first place. Is this something you would continue to subject your players to going forward, or have you learned any lessons from this experience?
Similarly, I note you state you concluded your thought police "investigation" in to my RP several days back. Given this, may I enquire why you did not inform me of your conclusion back then, so that you could give me the reassurances I needed to return to Maliva then rather than several days later?
I also remind you, again, of the language you, as a Moderator, publicly used towards me on the official Discord server:Vesica wrote:...you personally do not enter my thoughts on a daily or even a weekly basis.Vesica wrote:...you frankly don't rate that high.Vesica wrote:Needing a smear campaign would imply I rate you high enough on my to do list to have the time or patience for such an endeavor. I don't.Vesica wrote:There is no organised player base out to get you. That would imply you rate high enough on that many players agendas rather than enjoying the game. I sincerely doubt it.Vesica wrote:You are not that important to me.Vesica wrote:...you are, as I have stated repeatedly, not that high on my list.
If you wish to finally apologise for both this and your false allegations of racism, so that we can all put all of this behind us, then I would be more than happy to try to start with you again on a fresh slate, as it were.
I was exceptionally busy on April the 11th and so I'll fully admit I did not have time to take care of the task, as my assumption was that you were going to want more then a quick Discord message saying "You're fine." You were going to request a public admission by myself that your Role Play was in the clear, to dissuade any thoughts of whether it broke community guidelines or game rules. April 12th, is a day of mourning for me, it is the anniversary that I lost my daughter, and to be frank, I was not in a good state of mind the days prior either.
NuclearGandhi69 wrote:Hope u are feeling better now.
jellybean wrote:NuclearGandhi69 wrote:Hope u are feeling better now.
Same - I hope you are holding up, Vesica.
Reddy wrote:jellybean wrote:NuclearGandhi69 wrote:Hope u are feeling better now.
Same - I hope you are holding up, Vesica.
Best wishes Ves. It is always so easy to forget that real life has its heavy demands on other people
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