Feedback: Population Information

[jamescfm]

Moderation and the Role-Play Committee are planning to update the official population information. At present, we are hoping to post the updated figures for community feedback on 19 January 2024.

In advance of that, we would like to invite players to share feedback on the current figures and make suggestions on what we should consider when we update them. In particular, we would appreciate if you could share details of any major role-play events (e.g. internal conflict, economic recession) that might affect population numbers.

Please share your thoughts in this thread.

[hyraemous]

It would be nice to have Kundrati have a population of more than 40 million, seeing the roleplay being done upon it within the last few years. It may fluctuate - we've had two civil wars - but at least consider an increase in population a little bit.

This should also be true for various other countries with their own extensive roleplays (Dundorf, Beiteynu, Likatonia, Dankuk just to name a few).

Maybe a little more people now?

[imperialpearl]

First and foremost thanks for opening this back up. I never had the opportunity to argue for this as I wasn't in Keymon at the time. Keymon could easily be considered the smallest nation in PT in terms of area. In comparing Dalibor (which is relatively larger than Keymon), with a population of around 6 million, against Keymon's 14 million, I think a reduction could be argued. Given keymon's area, that 14 million+ population figure would lend itself to an insane population density (I wasn't able to calculate the actual value due to the in-game bug related to Keymon and Dankuk). I think that a reduction in Keymon's population size is justified in that regard.

[Nuova Istalia (Pond)]

Hello everyone,

as I recently played in Hulstria and in Sekowo I would suggest two things:

1. Hulstrian population could stay the same (106,966,772), many Kunihito fleed the country but after the country's admission in the WDU the number of west dovanian citizens have increased (especially Kyo). Also natalist policies roleplayed by former gamers could justify the fact that the population has remained abou the same despite the emigration of some Kunihito.

2. As for Sekowo, post-growth economics have probably stabilised native population growth, but immigration from neighbouring Mikuni (most Kunihito refugees went to Sekowo during the elyianist regime, and many of these refugees have remained in Sekowo, where Kunihito people were already a majority and therefore they weren't discriminated against) would have contributed to an increase of population. I would suggest a 10,000,000ish increase, making the pop around 80,000,000 (currently it is 70,219,341)

[Drax]

Most of the coups and civil wars have been brief enough to not affect population little, but two have.

In Badara,, there was mass evacuation of island of Nashwa affecting 7 million people and during an 8 year uprising. Lots of casualties although at end most were foreigners who had come in. Think growth would at least be curtailed and maybe some loss.

In Ikradon, the figure 12 million casualties was suggested by operating player which probably included 1.8 million in a terrorist incident. These figures could have been exaggerated as propaganda, but imagine there are some fairly serious population losses in any event. Dundorf got 1/2 million in refuges and other nations took in quite a few as well. My memory is Kundrati, Luthori, Alduria and possibly Malivia among them. I was gone at beginning so may well have been others.

[hyraemous]

Most of the coups and civil wars have been brief enough to not affect population little, but two have.

In Badara,, there was mass evacuation of island of Nashwa affecting 7 million people and during an 8 year uprising. Lots of casualties although at end most were foreigners who had come in. Think growth would at least be curtailed and maybe some loss.

In Ikradon, the figure 12 million casualties was suggested by operating player which probably included 1.8 million in a terrorist incident. These figures could have been exaggerated as propaganda, but imagine there are some fairly serious population losses in any event. Dundorf got 1/2 million in refuges and other nations took in quite a few as well. My memory is Kundrati, Luthori, Alduria and possibly Malivia among them. I was gone at beginning so may well have been others.

I believe Kundrati also took 300k from Ikradon. I want to say we took in maybe 50k to 100k from Badara as well. I should also note we plan on taking in a few hundred thousand from the current situation in Selucia as well. At their maximum we've taken in 600,000 refugees and probably a little more from the whole Davostag problem though that has lasted for a long while so the Davostag thing is gradual.

I reckon we're going to go through a Germany-style crisis with taking in immigrants and the like, though I'll have to plan for that in the future.

[Rogue]

I think taking into account the relative stability Nsanlosa is experiencing rn, combined with economic progress and the RP ive done on swelling cities almost uncapable of decent city planning due to a booming population, i would argue for a larger population for Nsanlosa. It currently sits at around 100 million, which already makes it well populated, i would argue that over all this time it could have swollen to around 120 million, especially in the urban areas. This could further help me in RPing the complexities of a growing population and the strain it could put on actual social progress.

[jamescfm]

Below are the updated population figures proposed by the Role-Play Committee. The figures were decided by applying a semi-randomised percentage decrease to the population of each country. A modifier was applied to each country based on a variety of factors, including previous population size, player feedback, and position in the economic rankings. As a result, every country has received a population decrease.

The reason for decreasing the population of all countries is that every update in the past four years has increased the population of most countries. As a result, we feel this update represents a natural cycle given the large span of time that has passed in the world of the game.

The numbers below are not yet finalised. If you have any suggestions about these numbers, or you would like to request that the population of a particular country is adjusted, please use this thread to share that feedback. The aim is to have these figures finalised on 19 January 2024 but we will allow a longer period for feedback if necessary.

You can view all previous population information in this forum thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9554

Aldegar: 167,702,355
Alduria: 26,444,536
Aloria: 23,334,108
Badara: 23,124,675
Baltusia: 135,954,965
Barmenistan: 43,373,204
Bazgaristan: 33,182,379
Beiteynu: 31,172,152
Beluzia: 87,559,969
Bianjie: 12,891,870
Cildania: 32,018,229
Cobura: 49,559,446
Dalibor: 6,064,475
Dankuk: 41,326,231
Davostag: 15,974,251
Deltaria: 129,044,073
Dolgava: 38,891,032
Dorvik: 134,544,407
Dundorf: 140,348,348
Egelion: 43,302,070
Endralon: 73,008,402
Gaduridos: 56,765,114
Hanzen: 160,335,951
Hobrazia: 60,493,806
Hulstria and Gao-Soto: 107,274,130
Hutori: 73,373,367
Ikradon: 119,757,603
Istalia: 160,844,565
Istapali: 199,396,479
Jakania: 55,282,937
Jelbe: 25,094,866
Kafuristan: 70,797,243
Kalistan: 93,890,598
Kalopia: 34,245,588
Kanjor: 58,070,579
Kazulia: 57,092,189
Keymon: 14,927,916
Kimlien: 97,509,595
Kirlawa: 32,956,735
Kizenia and New Endralon: 123,351,349
Kundrati: 41,676,193
Kurageri: 29,517,551
Likatonia: 72,498,085
Liore: 50,685,376
Lodamun: 89,460,675
Lourenne: 114,686,626
Luthori: 149,015,386
Malivia: 254,228,511
Medina: 76,270,668
Midway: 25,011,021
Mina: 42,018,883
Mordusia: 94,493,535
Narikaton and Darnussia: 84,996,539
New Alduria: 26,044,123
New Englia: 31,759,312
New Verham: 62,452,273
North Dovani: 101,141,358
Noumonde: 19,850,938
Nsanlosa: 108,470,639
Ntoto: 72,781,835
Ostland: 72,655,023
Pontesi: 25,916,090
Rapa Pile: 4,457,703
Rildanor: 24,567,704
Rutania: 116,909,974
Saridan: 56,926,385
Seko: 70,375,116
Selucia: 89,495,465
Solentia: 59,948,515
Statrica: 78,963,435
Talmoria: 146,217,754
Telamon: 22,434,048
Temania: 196,354,548
Trigunia: 127,965,421
Tropica: 44,484,272
Tukarali: 114,667,755
Utari Mosir: 67,656,488
Utembo: 57,026,563
Valruzia: 130,816,688
Vanuku: 128,623,181
Vascania: 444,160,678
Vorona: 14,474,395
Yingdala: 307,725,521
Zardugal: 94,771,309

[Polites]

I would argue for Trigunia to have a much smaller population, somewhere around the 40-50 million mark. It's in the far north and consistently RPd as very, well, cold. It's also formed of 3 main relatively small islands, and most other neighbouring nations have population figures around that mark.

[jamescfm]

I would argue for Trigunia to have a much smaller population, somewhere around the 40-50 million mark. It's in the far north and consistently RPd as very, well, cold. It's also formed of 3 main relatively small islands, and most other neighbouring nations have population figures around that mark.

I apologise that it has taken such a long time for you to receive a response. After discussion, we have decided to approve a significant reduction in the population of Trigunia for the reasons you mention. In order to provide a greater degree of continuity with the current population, we have decided on a higher figure than your suggestion though. The revised figure we recommend is 97,965,421.

Given the delay in responding, we are going to extend the feedback period until the end of the day on 22 January 2024 to allow time for a response to this revised proposal.