Study shows that Disney Films aren't Gay Enough

[Molotov]

Please, that is just not true. Sweden, the most liberal country in the world, has the exact same problems with them. Sweden has done everything to make them feel comfortable and welcome and they STILL turn against them. And I can assure you there are no racist or imperialist policies in Sweden. As a counter raction though, extreme right has risen in Sweden lately. What is even more terrifying in Sweden (and Finland, as we always drag behind them in everything) is the complete media silence of these problems. In Sweden, many Jews have been threatened and even attacked and when they complained about it publicly, the local government turned the blame on white supremacy movements - even though the Jewish Community made it very clear that they were threatened and harrased by muslims. I just wonder what these Jews had done to the muslims, they are not running the Racist and Imperialistic Christian Kingdom of Sweden as far as I know. Ofcourse not all muslimes were behind this thing, and there is no reason to blame them all, but it just shows the problems unfitting religious interpretations will cause in the west.

There would be no reason for them to hate us if we would just leave them alone in their desert. But we didn't. Someone messed things up and we are going to pay the price.

The entire fantasy over multiculturalism is insane. Not once in history of man has a multicultural nation survived without bloodshed. The Western Culture has merged into one, larger cultural entity that can finally exist in peace with eachother, but now we are ruining it by bringing in people who are just not compatible with our culture and ideologies. It will cause violence and bloodshed in the future. Man has not changed, and man will never change.

Sadly, to date the best way to integrate people is to strip them of their own culture, just like they did in americas with the slaves. They either abosrbed the majority culture, or created their very own from a scratch or by combining others. If you let them keep their culture that contradicts too much with the majority, they will become a problem eventually.

Hear hear.

Except this bit:

The Western Culture has merged into one, larger cultural entity that can finally exist in peace with eachother

It has more to do with realpolitik and necessity than shared ideals or culture, but it's true that Europe is falling into step with Britain and has countries which are (or if only resemble, in some cases) functioning liberal democracies, and that the general Western ethos is one at odds with that of the Muslim world. You're right in saying that whatever Islam is today, or might be in the future, one need only to look at those nations that make up the Muslim world to see that it is not currently compatible with liberal democracy, or if it is purely as a religion, the cultures within which it has root are not.

[IdioC]

...well, at the time, the satire seemed a better idea than saying "they could always import cartoons from Japan..."

Oh, kid's cartoons in Japan have a fucking ABUNDANCE of such things.

Indeed, although I'm worried that you're sitting on a pile of links to assault people's eyes with.

...'gay lobby'...

Sounds like a chatroom business opportunity.

[JosephJ]

...well, at the time, the satire seemed a better idea than saying "they could always import cartoons from Japan..."

Oh, kid's cartoons in Japan have a fucking ABUNDANCE of such things.

Indeed, although I'm worried that you're sitting on a pile of links to assault people's eyes with.

Ooooh yeah.

[Molotov]

[Captain-Socialist]

And you think I'm bad.....

But seriously, those animes are for teenagers.

[JosephJ]

And you think I'm bad.....

But seriously, those animes are for teenagers.

That GIF's from Zettai Karen Children. Not only is it shounen, it's quite literally a kid's show; it aired on the weekends in a morning time slot.

[Molotov]

Well the Japs are about as foreign as it is possible to be, without being aliens. There's no accounting for foreigners.

[Chazza]

Please, that is just not true. Sweden, the most liberal country in the world, has the exact same problems with them. Sweden has done everything to make them feel comfortable and welcome and they STILL turn against them. And I can assure you there are no racist or imperialist policies in Sweden. As a counter raction though, extreme right has risen in Sweden lately.

There exists a tendency to group all Western states as one and then same... much as we sit here talking about 'Muslims' as a homogenous bloc. Therefore it's easy to see how the actions of the UK, unchecked by Sweden, can be grouped with that of Sweden itself. I'm not saying this is good or just, but I can see why it exists.

I just wonder what these Jews had done to the muslims, they are not running the Racist and Imperialistic Christian Kingdom of Sweden as far as I know. Ofcourse not all muslimes were behind this thing, and there is no reason to blame them all, but it just shows the problems unfitting religious interpretations will cause in the west.

I'm sure they did very little to the Muslims, but then I'm sure most of the Muslims that get attacked in the UK have done very little to the people that attack them. And I say this as a Jew who has received anti-semitic treatment from Muslims.

The entire fantasy over multiculturalism is insane. Not once in history of man has a multicultural nation survived without bloodshed.

Perhaps, but then again I'm sure for every conflict we look at in terms of this I could find a wealth of other (structural, economic etc) reasons as to why such conflict occurred.

[Khaler]

Well, in Sweden and Finland the amount of racist and pro-white factions was basically nonexistent, and they did not spun up untill the violence was started by the immigrant youth. So does your theory work both ways? You claim muslim radicalism is caused by the whities, but what if muslim radicalism caused the anti-islam movement? Or do you think that only white european man can be evil and racist and filled with hatered while everyone else is a saint and their evil deeds are caused by the white man indirectly?

The asian immigrants were not attacked or harrased or discriminated here, and they came years before the muslims. But then again, they were not violent nor commited crimes. They wanted to integrate, and they did. Muslims, they do not want to integrate. Because if they do, they are no longer muslims, as you can't share our values and still follow the current islamic interpretations. They want to bring their sharia laws to our nations, their own customs and ways. They whine about things in our culture that supposedly insult and do not fit into their religion. Their arrogance and disrespect towards our customs and values is what caused the rise of anti-islam and anti-foreigner factions to rise here. I'm not sure what happened there in UK, but that is how it happened here.

Racism is never the first cause, because it is always a consequence of something. People do not hate or dislike someone, be it a person or a group, for no reason. And don't start with the "people are afraid of the unknown" bullshit, because that is not true. People are intrigued by the unknown. If people would fear the unknown, this world would be very different place. No, there is something else that they fear when it comes to immigrants. And I say it is fear of loosing the blocks you use to build your own identity, your values, your ideals, your culture, your history. If they come and integrate, this fear does not exist. But if they come like the muslims, this fear will come up. And it is a reasonable fear that will become true because of naive people like you, Charlie. If you give them the chance, they will more than happily turn europe into their islamic values. Wouldn't you do the same in their place, if you would have the chance to bring the ideals and values you love to the country you live in? And they don't need violence to do it, and huge majority of them don't even want to use violence to do it. But the chance to do it peacefully and democratically will come because of the reckless immigration all over europe, and there is no reason why they shouldn't or wouldn't do it.

[Amazeroth]

Racism is never the first cause, because it is always a consequence of something. People do not hate or dislike someone, be it a person or a group, for no reason. And don't start with the "people are afraid of the unknown" bullshit, because that is not true. People are intrigued by the unknown.

Of course people are afraid of the unknown. They may be intrigued as long as it doesn't affect them directly, but the moment something unknown seems to be changing your life, they will be afraid. One of the reasons I get to hear most why people dislike immigration goes along the line "When you're in the subways nowadays you don't hear a single German word around you". While this may be true in most districts in every bigger city, this surely wouldn't be a reason to be afraid. Yet it seems to be one of the biggest arguments these people seem to have.

If people would fear the unknown, this world would be very different place. No, there is something else that they fear when it comes to immigrants. And I say it is fear of loosing the blocks you use to build your own identity, your values, your ideals, your culture, your history. If they come and integrate, this fear does not exist. But if they come like the muslims, this fear will come up. And it is a reasonable fear that will become true because of naive people like you, Charlie. If you give them the chance, they will more than happily turn europe into their islamic values.Wouldn't you do the same in their place, if you would have the chance to bring the ideals and values you love to the country you live in? And they don't need violence to do it, and huge majority of them don't even want to use violence to do it. But the chance to do it peacefully and democratically will come because of the reckless immigration all over europe, and there is no reason why they shouldn't or wouldn't do it.

And this is the real bullshit. There is no reasons why people should fear losing their identity because of immigrants save one: The foreign culture somehow proved to be stronger than their own. If the "native's" culture, as you seem to think, is the better one, there is no reason why the arabian lifestyle should somehow prevail. There is no reason why, if the immigrants still keep to their traditions and whatever makes their culture, the native's should somehow lose their own culture. Nobody, at least in most western countries, can force you to accept foreign values.

The only problem having to do with "values" forced upon you, is if their culture somehow makes them criminals. I don't know about Sweden, but in Austria, and we're getting a lot more immigrants than Sweden does, statistics don't show that muslims (or better, immigrants from traditionally islamic states) commit more crimes than other immigrants. More than that, crimes are seldomly commited by 1st generation immigrants, but by their children, and almost never with a religious background.

I won't deny that immigration still causes problems, but they're nowhere near the danger you seem to see in it.