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[Opakidabar]

Nobody, at least in most western countries, can force you to accept foreign values.

As long as they are under 50% of population in a given municipality. Because over 50% means they have legislative power to write rules and force them.
When they are over 20% they do not integrate and in case of eventual war you would have around 20% population supporting their motherland not your nation. Not the best feeling to have. Instead of whole nation fighting as one, you would have a civil war.
..and it is not just about Muslims, it is about every immigrant group, for example, ethnic Russians in Latvia.

[Khaler]

Nobody, at least in most western countries, can force you to accept foreign values.

Yes they can. Because they keep coming, their numbers keep becoming larger and one day, they will have the majority. Then you can say goodbye to your culture and values, because they are going to be replaced with someone elses. This is fueled by concessions made by our societies, so they don't have to adapt and they can maintain as much of their own culture as they want to.

The trend up here in the north seems to be that if there is a conflict between our culture and theirs, WE have to stand back. No more plays about Jesus in the Christmas ceremonies at the schools, hell they are even whining about tonttus, our equivalent of santa's little helpers, that have NOTHING to do with christianity. But still, they supposedly insult their religion. Some schools have gone as far as not celebrating christmas at all because it is a christian celebration. The sad thing is, the foreigners do not require this, only the minority of them is whining. But it is some of our own people who require this, as they want to make the immigrants feel as comfortable as possible, even though huge majority of the immigrants have nothing against Christmas Celebrations.

As I said, they will not force us into their values through violence. But if you give them a chance to do it peacefully, they will do it. I would do it also if the parts were reversed, because we all believe our own values are superior and better for the people.

[peterJS]

Nobody, at least in most western countries, can force you to accept foreign values.

Yes they can. Because they keep coming, their numbers keep becoming larger and one day, they will have the majority. Then you can say goodbye to your culture and values, because they are going to be replaced with someone elses. This is fueled by concessions made by our societies, so they don't have to adapt and they can maintain as much of their own culture as they want to.

The trend up here in the north seems to be that if there is a conflict between our culture and theirs, WE have to stand back. No more plays about Jesus in the Christmas ceremonies at the schools, hell they are even whining about tonttus, our equivalent of santa's little helpers, that have NOTHING to do with christianity. But still, they supposedly insult their religion. Some schools have gone as far as not celebrating christmas at all because it is a christian celebration. The sad thing is, the foreigners do not require this, only the minority of them is whining. But it is some of our own people who require this, as they want to make the immigrants feel as comfortable as possible, even though huge majority of the immigrants have nothing against Christmas Celebrations.

As I said, they will not force us into their values through violence. But if you give them a chance to do it peacefully, they will do it. I would do it also if the parts were reversed, because we all believe our own values are superior and better for the people.

Its all far right extremist lies they will never be a majority, the Government figures are all published by far right extremists, the MOD is run by far right extremists as well after all only far rights extremists would compare the rise of Islam in the west to the fall of the Roman Empire.

[Amazeroth]

Nobody, at least in most western countries, can force you to accept foreign values.

As long as they are under 50% of population in a given municipality. Because over 50% means they have legislative power to write rules and force them.
When they are over 20% they do not integrate and in case of eventual war you would have around 20% population supporting their motherland not your nation. Not the best feeling to have. Instead of whole nation fighting as one, you would have a civil war.
..and it is not just about Muslims, it is about every immigrant group, for example, ethnic Russians in Latvia.

If all of them were going to vote, and if there were indeed an immigrant party of some sorts to actually vote, yes. Ethnic Russians in Latvia are not really a problem because of immigration, and a whole other case than people from islamic states coming to western Europe. If you really go into a war with Russia though, I don't think you'll lose it because of your ethnic Russians.

Back to their possibilities to change legislation: I have never seen, neither in Austria nor in any other western country, that the immigrants actually formed a party and tried to change values via policy. The only thing there is are some mullahs complaining about crosses in public places and stuff like that. Statistics show that from about the third generation, immigrant families behave more or less like the native ones, especially in respect to procreation - the only way they'll achieve making more than 50% of population is by even higher immigration rates, or if the natives' birthrate sinks. Immigration is something regulated by the countries, regardless if it's really immigration or just asylum seeking, and the immigrants sure aren't to blame for the natives' unwillingness to make more children.

Yes they can. Because they keep coming, their numbers keep becoming larger and one day, they will have the majority. Then you can say goodbye to your culture and values, because they are going to be replaced with someone elses. This is fueled by concessions made by our societies, so they don't have to adapt and they can maintain as much of their own culture as they want to.

And what's wrong with the majority making the values? You don't seem to be seeing that as a problem as long as you more or less make the majority, so if they really manage to get this much political power, and if they really change all the laws (and allow stoning, or whatever makes you afraid of this), why would it be wrong? It would just be the majority making the rules, exaclty as you do now.

The trend up here in the north seems to be that if there is a conflict between our culture and theirs, WE have to stand back. No more plays about Jesus in the Christmas ceremonies at the schools, hell they are even whining about tonttus, our equivalent of santa's little helpers, that have NOTHING to do with christianity. But still, they supposedly insult their religion. Some schools have gone as far as not celebrating christmas at all because it is a christian celebration. The sad thing is, the foreigners do not require this, only the minority of them is whining. But it is some of our own people who require this, as they want to make the immigrants feel as comfortable as possible, even though huge majority of the immigrants have nothing against Christmas Celebrations.

It's exactly the same down here - there is a minority of them who really complains about this stuff, and a majority that doesn't care about it, or is even in favour of people celebrating Christmas (for example) because they think that as long as the natives get to follow their religion, they'll get to follow their own. But that is not really a problem caused by immigrants, this is just a problem of our own - after all, as you say, it's us that make this changes, not them.

As I said, they will not force us into their values through violence. But if you give them a chance to do it peacefully, they will do it. I would do it also if the parts were reversed, because we all believe our own values are superior and better for the people.

What is the problem then? They'll maybe try to convince us, we'll try to convince them - the better culture will win.

[Khaler]

And what's wrong with the majority making the values?

Nothing. When we reach that point, there is nothing wrong with it. The wrong that happened is we let it get to that. I'm not blaming the immigrants, I'm blaming those of us who allow it to happen open handedly. The point is, we should not allow them a chance to become a majority. That is why immigration should cease right now. Those who came can stay, I'm all for that, they are part of my country now, but we in Europe should not take anyone from countries that are too far from us culturally for a while.

[Amazeroth]

And what's wrong with the majority making the values?

Nothing. When we reach that point, there is nothing wrong with it. The wrong that happened is we let it get to that. I'm not blaming the immigrants, I'm blaming those of us who allow it to happen open handedly. The point is, we should not allow them a chance to become a majority. That is why immigration should cease right now. Those who came can stay, I'm all for that, they are part of my country now, but we in Europe should not take anyone from countries that are too far from us culturally for a while.

The problem with that is that it's rarely "real" immigrants (we hardly let anyone migrate to Austria and have strict quotas in that matter) who come and make trouble, but it's the asylum seekers. To just send them back would be a moral problem (as long as they have a good reason, of course).

[elryacko]

Additionally while the BNP are always so eager to paint themselves as saving us from the evils of terrorism, let's look what they've been up to;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 638139.ece

Thirty-two people have been questioned in a police operation that raises the prospect of a right-wing bombing campaign against mosques. Police are said to have recovered a British National party membership card and other right-wing literature during a raid on the home of one suspect charged under the Terrorism Act.

How awful. One person is a MEMBER OF THE BNP!

Just because one person ruins somethings reputation doesn't mean you should go along with it. Vegetarianism, afterall, must be evil, since Hitler practiced it.

Nobody, at least in most western countries, can force you to accept foreign values.

As long as they are under 50% of population in a given municipality. Because over 50% means they have legislative power to write rules and force them.
When they are over 20% they do not integrate and in case of eventual war you would have around 20% population supporting their motherland not your nation. Not the best feeling to have. Instead of whole nation fighting as one, you would have a civil war.
..and it is not just about Muslims, it is about every immigrant group, for example, ethnic Russians in Latvia.

Actually it's turning into minority rule in America. You are in a way, pressured to hire minority groups. And even if in the future Mexicans outnumer whites, white males are still considered the majority because of the law.

Russians are different. They are very stubborn.

[AngryMollusc]

Additionally while the BNP are always so eager to paint themselves as saving us from the evils of terrorism, let's look what they've been up to;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 638139.ece

Thirty-two people have been questioned in a police operation that raises the prospect of a right-wing bombing campaign against mosques. Police are said to have recovered a British National party membership card and other right-wing literature during a raid on the home of one suspect charged under the Terrorism Act.

How awful. One person is a MEMBER OF THE BNP!

Just because one person ruins somethings reputation doesn't mean you should go along with it. Vegetarianism, afterall, must be evil, since Hitler practiced it.

Yeah. Just because one terrorist happened to be a BNP member doesn't mean all terrorists are evil. Nelson Mandela for example. Nice chap.