IdioC wrote:Chazza wrote:peterJS wrote:We oppose immigration, not races.
Funny though that most immigrants tend to be of... different races...
I can understand the connection between the two but you're affirming the consequent here, Chazza. While most racists will oppose immigration, not everyone who opposes immigration is necessarily racist.
Well to be honest I wasn't really making an actual point there just getting pissed off at Peter, although it is true that the BNP's brand of anti-immigration has much in line with racism. However I agree this is not true for everyone.
but the larger you make the system, the more you end up marginalising people and the less they feel "listened to" by a democratic system, in turn driving them to extreme measures to exact change.
The thing is though you can have localised, federalised systems that don't rely on the existence of borders and which don't seek to keep others out of specific regions. Furthermore you can have these systems that arent built around the hierarchical state.
A borderless world would also pose trouble for crimefighting in making the haystack somewhat bigger to find the needle.
I'd actually argue the opposite in that borders make international crimefighting very hard, for example wanting to protect sovereignty and 'our info' is one the things that has always held back Interpol, more specifically look at Ireland where you can commit a crime on one side of the North/South border run across it and it will be months before it is a case there, I once met a guy who did this exact trick to prevent asylum seekers being deported, now that's a 'crime' I'm sympathetic to but legally it is still a crime and one that concrete borders make it harder to stop.
but nation isn't necessarily a racist thing. In some cases, it's as much about preservation of identity.
The way I see it though is that a nation is by its very nature exclusionary and seeks to seperate us from them, furthermore if you look at the way nations were formed, how Romanian used to be in Cyrillic before it was decided the people would be too susceptible to pan-Slavic tendencies, how when Italy was formed less than 10% (I think) spoke Italian (Massimo D'Azeglio famously remarked "we have made Italy now we must make Italians"), how Zionist nationalism was forged from diverse populations that had little in common and how this led to the creation of Palestinian nationalism from a people who had either seen themselves as Arab, Syrian or nothing and on and on and on and you see how they are so artificial. Thus people have become completely enamoured by this false identities that only serve to keep them seperate from others, this I cannot support. Interestingly enough seeing as you mentioned Basques, Basque nationalism has been historically very racially motivated stemming from the idea of descending from Noah, hence the idea that you could only be Basque if you were born Basque and in the Basque country, in the 19th Century that contradicted the much more accepting Catalan national identity. I guess remnants of this can still be seen such as the Basque only policy of Euskaltel or Athletico Bilbao.
) and international co-operation allows the exchange of ideas and the ease of movement over borders to appreciate cultures. Tourism would also suffer if you homogenise the laws and ways of life permitted by the governments of the world.
