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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby Mr.Yankees » Sat May 02, 2009 7:35 pm

tdurden21 wrote:
jethro wrote:
I was being sarcastic there. It is hard to think of a government more riddled with sheer incompetence and hypocritical bullshit than America's, though it does compensate by being among the most entertaining governments.


I completely agree. There are a lot of people who actually like it when the Senate is in a filibuster or something cos those fools can't pass their senseless laws and pork barrel spending. The best was when Clinton was being impeached. There were no new bills and good jokes on Letterman and Leno.



The filibuster is one of the most important tools, if not the most important one, in the Senate. If forces negotiations between both parties and at the end, it is to the benefit of the people (that is, most of the time. It doesn't always work out that way). If the Senate was almost identical to the House, there would be no point to having two houses in Congress. The Senate has always been considered the most competent and most formal of both houses (they still use roll call votes). They are very different from the House and that's what makes it special.

Believe or not, filibuster is rarely used in the Senate. It is mostly used for large or radical pieces of legislation. It cannot even be used when the budget is being voted on (there is a little process called reconciliation that allows a simple majority to pass the budget proposals).

For scholars, a filibuster proof majority is not such a big deal as the news make it out to be. For us, we see it as an election accomplishment rather than "it's going to make it easier to pass anything through the Senate."

With respect to the impeachment trial. According to Senate rules, you cannot have any bills on the table while the impeachment trial is ongoing. It is also kind of impossible to be working on more than one thing one someone is getting impeached and you are supposed to be the jury.
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby JosephJ » Sun May 03, 2009 12:23 am

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jethro wrote:My previously cynical-neutral position on American politics has only been recently altered slightly by the 2008 election, more specifically when the Republicans made numerous thinly-veiled threats against Russia during Georgia's acts of belligerence and their VP nominee quite openly saying she was prepared to go to war against Russia. So now I'm very thinly in the "Democratic" camp under the proud headline: "DEMOCRATS: THEY ARE PROBABLY SLIGHTLY LESS LIKELY TO BOMB MY COUNTRY AND START WORLD WAR III"


If only the Democrats would adopt that stance. I almost voted for Nader, but he's gone a little squirrelly.

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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby JuliaAJA » Sun May 03, 2009 1:45 am

JosephJ wrote:
Jessaveryja wrote:
jethro wrote:My previously cynical-neutral position on American politics has only been recently altered slightly by the 2008 election, more specifically when the Republicans made numerous thinly-veiled threats against Russia during Georgia's acts of belligerence and their VP nominee quite openly saying she was prepared to go to war against Russia. So now I'm very thinly in the "Democratic" camp under the proud headline: "DEMOCRATS: THEY ARE PROBABLY SLIGHTLY LESS LIKELY TO BOMB MY COUNTRY AND START WORLD WAR III"


If only the Democrats would adopt that stance. I almost voted for Nader, but he's gone a little squirrelly.

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My mom asks me who to vote for, I said Obama or Nader, she picked Obama saying that Nader had gone a little squirrelly. I was wondering when someone would catch that. :D
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby Woxor » Mon May 04, 2009 12:29 pm

Mr.Yankees wrote:Believe or not, filibuster is rarely used in the Senate. It is mostly used for large or radical pieces of legislation.

In other news, it is now 1970.
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby AngryMollusc » Mon May 04, 2009 12:40 pm

Mr.Yankees wrote:The filibuster is one of the most important tools, if not the most important one, in the Senate. If forces negotiations between both parties and at the end, it is to the benefit of the people (that is, most of the time. It doesn't always work out that way). If the Senate was almost identical to the House, there would be no point to having two houses in Congress. The Senate has always been considered the most competent and most formal of both houses (they still use roll call votes). They are very different from the House and that's what makes it special.

This strikes me a somewhat odd perspective: it rather seems to rely on "republican" and "democrat" being the only two political viewpoints in existence...
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby PresMusharraf » Sat May 23, 2009 5:58 pm

jessaveryja wrote: Who is?


Ahem... :arrow: ME! :D

Come on! Who doesn't root for the underdogs? And besides, this whole switch means nothing. We've simply returned to the pre-1994 era when Blue Dogs and Republicans joined together on some issues with Dems and Blue Dogs controlled Congress as a whole. We survived then, we will now. The Republicans will come back. And one day, they may just...gasp...take control of Congress and the Presidency again :o :shock:
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby Aethers » Sat May 23, 2009 6:54 pm

AngryMollusc wrote:
Mr.Yankees wrote:The filibuster is one of the most important tools, if not the most important one, in the Senate. If forces negotiations between both parties and at the end, it is to the benefit of the people (that is, most of the time. It doesn't always work out that way). If the Senate was almost identical to the House, there would be no point to having two houses in Congress. The Senate has always been considered the most competent and most formal of both houses (they still use roll call votes). They are very different from the House and that's what makes it special.

This strikes me a somewhat odd perspective: it rather seems to rely on "republican" and "democrat" being the only two political viewpoints in existence...


Not in existence, just in Congress. And as much as I've wished that would change over the years, it doesn't seem likely anytime soon.
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby AdJeCtIv3 » Mon May 25, 2009 12:23 am

PresMusharraf wrote:
jessaveryja wrote: Who is?


Ahem... :arrow: ME! :D

Come on! Who doesn't root for the underdogs? And besides, this whole switch means nothing. We've simply returned to the pre-1994 era when Blue Dogs and Republicans joined together on some issues with Dems and Blue Dogs controlled Congress as a whole. We survived then, we will now. The Republicans will come back. And one day, they may just...gasp...take control of Congress and the Presidency again :o :shock:


Yes, and there will be some *yawn* vast shifts in economic *yawn* and governmental *yawn* policy.

I live for the day that a third party ever becomes a contender in the USA, but while the population there continues to be anesthetised with Oprah, Fox News and falling school standards nothing much will change.

I know there are other minor parties in the USA, but even the CPUSA works to make sure the dems win.

Your current status quo seems rather like the trick of salemanship of offering several alternatives but all of them are ultimately beneficial to the salesman. "Would you like your new car in red or green?". Everyone is seduced by Obama right now isn't exactly a radical on anything, is he?
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby Mr.Yankees » Mon May 25, 2009 2:04 am

AdJeCtIv3 wrote:
PresMusharraf wrote:
jessaveryja wrote: Who is?


Ahem... :arrow: ME! :D

Come on! Who doesn't root for the underdogs? And besides, this whole switch means nothing. We've simply returned to the pre-1994 era when Blue Dogs and Republicans joined together on some issues with Dems and Blue Dogs controlled Congress as a whole. We survived then, we will now. The Republicans will come back. And one day, they may just...gasp...take control of Congress and the Presidency again :o :shock:


Yes, and there will be some *yawn* vast shifts in economic *yawn* and governmental *yawn* policy.

I live for the day that a third party ever becomes a contender in the USA, but while the population there continues to be anesthetised with Oprah, Fox News and falling school standards nothing much will change.

I know there are other minor parties in the USA, but even the CPUSA works to make sure the dems win.

Your current status quo seems rather like the trick of salemanship of offering several alternatives but all of them are ultimately beneficial to the salesman. "Would you like your new car in red or green?". Everyone is seduced by Obama right now isn't exactly a radical on anything, is he?


I guess the question is: Why would we want to change the status quo?
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Re: Great News for Democrats

Postby JuliaAJA » Mon May 25, 2009 4:54 am

The third party that got closest to the White House was probably the Socialist Party before the Cold War.
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