Corporate vs Communism

[Molotov]

Fair enough. The books:

We has nothing to do with drugs. It is all about the abolition of the individual and privacy and worship of the leader. It's Russian through and through. In 1984, Big Brother is feared, despised and known but never worshipped - they worship the system, in Brave New World there is no leader. 1984 is by far the happier picture. In that we are at least alive, at war, in lust.

We is the most frightening of the books. As I read it, it seemed to me that Zamyatin saw what had been done in Russia, and made it perfect. Thank God Russia fell. 1984 comes second, Orwell is ridiculously prescient. Huxley is terribly clever too, but he failed because he wrote utopia. While humanity lives, it is hard to imagine his world as real, but then he wrote about a dead race, and it's impossible to imagine death. That's why we invented life after death.

[Opakidabar]

I think the best translation for "Мы" is "Us" rather than "We". It is due to feeling I had about the book (most of books I read was when I was 9-13 years old, so usually I remember smth that I call "feeling" instead of story itself).
To derail story even further I have to confess that book with most frightening feeling was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind_Parasites
Is not about anti-utopia, it is about mind parasites. Absolutely terrifying for a child. Have not read it since, but now it came to memory and I got cold. That was impressive.

To derail it back, scene from Obshestroi society:
TV News: "Body of 33 year old 3rd level prostitute was found. She was drug addict and was convicted for several crimes"
Ivan Grabov (26 years old, 5th level accountant) comments: "Not a big loss"
Mikhail Afanasiev (29, 6th level waiter) agrees: "Yeah, 33 years and only 3rd level, I wonder how earth tolerates such people"

[GreekIdiot]

Thank God Russia fell.

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Hm...I guess I'd better read the book first.

[Molotov]

Sorry didn't mean Russia, meant the Soviet Union or communism. Stalin's Soviet Union at the very least.

[GreekIdiot]

I was referring to you being thankful with regards to the fact that the USSR fell. Not Russia. I just sometimes don't understand why some people hate socialism because it only brings back memories of Stalin. I mean come on Molotov, you never stepped your foot on SU land, and therefore never experienced the socialist system as it was.

[Molotov]

Mate.

edit: Much as I love you, George, you've 'never stepped on Soviet Union land'. You're in a silly club sir.

[GreekIdiot]

Oh come on, speak.

[Molotov]

You're telling me that because I never went to the Soviet Union, under whoever, I can't talk about it? Wtf.