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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Khaler » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:21 pm

JosephJ wrote:
Khaler wrote:It doesn't make any sense. Naturally as anti-unionist, he should also go for the independence of the home nations.

In all fairness, there's a difference between British unionism and European unionism. We have a lingual, cultural and geographical bond that the EU does not.


That is very true. But it is only evolution. At first we were only with our families, then with our tribes, then with our folk, and then with our nation. Why should we not take the next step? On international scale, we have a lingual, cultural and geographical bond in the EU in contrast to asians or africans or arabians. It is the same thing as UK, just in larger scale.
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Molotov » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:57 pm

Your point being? I'm sorry where did I choose the EU? Where have I not attacked the EU in this entire thread? Where does this lengthy, rather poetic, but ultimately pointless, reply make any sense?


I thought you were paraphrasing The Damned Utd. "Fuck Lorimer. Fuck Revie. Fuck Leeds. Fuck them all." So I paraphrased Trainspotting ;)

Khaler wrote:Why should we not take the next step? On international scale, we have a lingual, cultural and geographical bond in the EU in contrast to asians or africans or arabians.


Doubtful. The European nations are more foreign to us than, say, Canada. It's not 'evolution' or 'progression', it's conquest by means other than war, France and Germany's old dream of a united Europe.
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Xanathos » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:15 pm

Molotov wrote:
Khaler wrote:Why should we not take the next step? On international scale, we have a lingual, cultural and geographical bond in the EU in contrast to asians or africans or arabians.


Doubtful. The European nations are more foreign to us than, say, Canada. It's not 'evolution' or 'progression', it's conquest by means other than war, France and Germany's old dream of a united Europe.


Lol, the Europeans have killed each other for centuries, many of them more than slightly dislike each other, they're not even all from the same ethnicity and you (Khlaer) think they should form a country??? XD

Canada for sure and even I would say America is closer to Britain than a lot of European nations.
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Khaler » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:38 pm

Should I copypaste all the English-Scottish wars now? :|

Funny that you mentioned America, as far as I know, they are not from the same ethnicity, are they? Dutch, Germans, Britons, Irish, Italians, Africans... And Canada has those frenchies too.

Just because they speak ENGLISH (which is most likely the only language you can speak) does not mean they are English.

It is also funny that on the other hand you dislike EU for trying to be the "blaablaa Liberal blaablaa!", and in the same time you think Canada, the most liberal country in the world, is closest to you?

And yes, European Countries should form a federation, or a country, as it is the only logical way to preserve the Western and European haegemony around the world. European countries alone just don't have the population to be imporant players anymore.
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Molotov » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:12 pm

Neo-liberalism, Khaler, is not the same as other kinds of liberalism - neo-liberalism is a combination of certain core liberal principles with neo-classical economics, with an understanding of the individual as a rational and utility maximising actor, and freedom as the freedom to participate or have an opportunity to participate in free markets (by which they mean, markets unburdened by direct government intervention, but regulated and constrained by an extensive legal framework). Neo-liberalism doesn't work, although Amazeroth would argue differently, he is a fan of the Austrian School. I think you may be confusing the meaning of the word with the incorrect American usage, they generally mean 'left-wing' when they say liberal.

Khaler wrote:Funny that you mentioned America, as far as I know, they are not from the same ethnicity, are they? Dutch, Germans, Britons, Irish, Italians, Africans... And Canada has those frenchies too.


So what? No one is suggesting that Britain unite with the United States, and yet they are suggesting that Britain unite with the myriad of different nations and cultures on the continent. It's taken three centuries of centralisation and cultural homogenisation to make the United States a country, just like Napoleon did with France. A single European state will either see the complete destruction of the nations and cultures that make it up, or its own collapse.

Khaler wrote:And yes, European Countries should form a federation, or a country, as it is the only logical way to preserve the Western and European haegemony around the world.


:roll:

It's the logical way to create a huge mess, much worse than the one we've got now. You stick to learning useless foreign languages, we'll stick to politics eh?

Anyway, despite the vast number of rational arguments against the EU, which I've argued here since I joined and am rather sick of arguing, we aren't going to agree. I am opposed to what the EU is and what it represents, a grandiose, rationalistic political project to create an artificial state, in which only we as individuals and our nations are going to suffer. It's a folly, it ignores centuries of political, social, and cultural development and it is a foreign imposition. Very little good has come of it, and I cannot see more in the future. I'm certainly going to fuck off to Canada if Britain ever becomes the same country as France, or Finland, or Slovakia (a rat deserting a sinking ship, maybe).
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Captain-Socialist » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:32 pm

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Captain-Socialist wrote:Can't wait to see Cameron laying flowers on the grave of the Latvian SS to appease his new allies. Euroskeptic democrats, heil!


You're obsessed with Nazis CS. Are you in one of these stupid 'anti-fascist' organisations, the ones that gave a lot of free publicity to the BNP by stupidly campaigning against them?


No, I'd never join one of those lib-lab-con stromtrooper crops. David Cameron is friends with them too, ha ha, support the anti-nazis league campaigns against free speech at home and then form a parliamentary alliance with people who still believe in the glory of Operation Barbarossa abroad. I'd lover to be able to get away with such mind blowing and utterly hollow opportunism, but sadly I've never been in the Bullingdon Club.
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Molotov » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:14 pm

Oh Cameron. At least he likes the Queen, unlike the treacherous idiot of a Scot we've got now.

Brown replaced the portrait of the Queen in his office with one of Oliver Cromwell. Shortly afterwards, he was to meet the heads of Sinn Fein and the IRA. I'll leave you to guess how well that went.
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Re: EU parliamentary elections

Postby Chazza » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:10 pm

Captain-Socialist wrote:
Molotov wrote:
Captain-Socialist wrote:Can't wait to see Cameron laying flowers on the grave of the Latvian SS to appease his new allies. Euroskeptic democrats, heil!


You're obsessed with Nazis CS. Are you in one of these stupid 'anti-fascist' organisations, the ones that gave a lot of free publicity to the BNP by stupidly campaigning against them?


No, I'd never join one of those lib-lab-con stromtrooper crops. David Cameron is friends with them too, ha ha, support the anti-nazis league campaigns against free speech at home and then form a parliamentary alliance with people who still believe in the glory of Operation Barbarossa abroad. I'd lover to be able to get away with such mind blowing and utterly hollow opportunism, but sadly I've never been in the Bullingdon Club.


The Anti-Nazi League doesn't exist anymore, it pretty much just turned into Unite Against Fascism. Sadly they still love to illustrate their lack of historical and definitional knowledge by shouting Nazi! Nazi! at the BNP all the time, sigh...
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